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Imagine a rectangular room, CMU walls, metal bar joists, metal deck with 2 layers of 2" rigid insulation, and the most important part: The roof slopes from one side to the room to the opposite side. The CMU walls continue above the line of the roof (see attached image). I need to insulate some of the rooms (interior face of exterior walls) and the insulation and gypsum should go up until they meet the roof but I don't know how to control the shape of a particular layer of a wall (rigid insulation + gypsum) without affecting the profile of the main wall. Is this possible with Revit?I will really appreciate any help.
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I might try to do this as two walls, one above the other. Then I would edit the top of the lower wall to the bottom of the roof deck and the bottom of the upper - non-insulated wall to the same line. I would then hope that join geomery takes care of my block.
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the (rigid insulation + gypsum) should not be part of your CMU wall. they should be their own furring wall type drawn on the inside of the CMU. then on wall where need you can edit the profile to follow the slope as needed.i am assuming that this  rigid insulation + gypsum) does not go above the roof. then use align and lock to tie the furring to the CMU wall. HTH
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I did this too on a similar situation but there are problems with this though. One is that openings in the wall, like doors and windows, only cut one of the walls. You have to edit the profile for the other wall. Another problem is that the line betwwen the masonry wall and the furring is a heavier line that is normally on the outside of your walls but now it is on the inside of your composite wall.
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"I did this too on a similar situation but there are problems with this though. One is that openings in the wall, like doors and windows, only cut one of the walls. You have to edit the profile for the other wall. Another problem is that the line betwwen the masonry wall and the furring is a heavier line that is normally on the outside of your walls but now it is on the inside of your composite wall." using join geometry on the two walls will allow any window or door to cut thru both walls and should take care of the heavy line problem.
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" using join geometry on the two walls will allow any window or door to cut thru both walls and should take care of the heavy line problem. "
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WWHub: I tried what you suggested but couldn't attach the lower wall to the bottom of the roof because the roof is smaller (in plan) than the walls. In other words, there is no roof above the walls and the program can't find a boundaru to extend to.
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I didn't say attach, I said edit the profile to the line of the bottom of your deck. It's the point where your wall would change, isn't it?
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WWHub: I tried what you suggested but couldn't attach the lower wall to the bottom of the roof because the roof is smaller (in plan) than the walls. In other words, there is no roof above the walls and the program can't find a boundaru to extend to.
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Oops! What was that? I just hit F5. Anyway. I will try that (edit the profile) and let you know if it works. Thank you.
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i don't understand what your are saying. but as long as the wall is not curved, you should be able to edit the profile into any shape and height you want.
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I agree with Coreed-the best way to do this is to use the "edit profile" tool. Read the help file on it in Revit and it will explain everything. I found Revit's help section on this very useful. Good luck!
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Coreed, seems to be that there is some confusion about what I wanted (I gave up last night). I'll try to be more explicit. I wanted to create one (1) wall that have it "all": CMU + insulation + gypsum I wanted to be able to control the 2 interior layers (insulation + gypsum) height independently of the CMU (By editing the style and unlocking the top constrain of these layers). I got to this point. What I couldn't do was edit the profile of these 2 layers without afecting the shape of the CMU layer. In other words I needed one wall with a layer (CMU) with a rectangulat shape and the other 2 layers (Insul + Gyp) with a trapezoidal shape (to follow the pitch of the roof). At the end a created 2 parallel walls (what I didn't want to do) and atached the interior one (insul + gypsum) to the bottom of the roof. Then I use "Join Geometry" to merge both walls (as you suggested) and that clear the opening for my doors and windows. Looks good, but I am using 2 walls #@#$@#&!!!! Thanks to all of you
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i think you will have to use two walls as we talked about and as you did. when you edit the wall profile it affects the whole wall as you founded out. remember to use the align command to lock the two wall together so they move as one. i know what you are asking, but far as i know you when you unlock the top constrain of the parts of a multi-part wall you can only move them up and down and cannot modify the profile for the individual parts. HTH
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So this is not what you are trying to do? (single wall, quick schematic)
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