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1. How do you do a wall fill between two roofs, with 5:12 pitches, but not going all the way down to the floor below?  The roofs are pitched, and the walls are at an angle?
2. The default siding (out of the box) is horizontal planks - I wanted vertical!  where do I rotate the siding 90 degrees?  Or do I download from somewhere else?
3. The downstairs siding is actually two materials.  The plaster goes up about half way up, and on the top half of the walls, are vertical plank siding to match the upstairs.
4. There's a slight arch ( R = 9' - 0" at the roof and downstairs wall.  They are 90 degrees to each other.  How do I draw an arch at the end of a wall or roof?
5. This one is tricky because there is a curved entry roof, and I don't know how to add that.  It comes out a few feet over the top entry step.
6. And finally, how do I get the siding to come down over the flooring?

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These are a nice set of questions. I will try to help in any of them that i can

1. You can do this a couple of ways. You can use "Edit Profile" on the adjacent wall and fill in the missing area, or you can draw a wall on the second level and attach to the larger roof.

2. You will need to change the Material. You can rotate the lines that make up surface pattern. You do all of this in the Materials box.

3. For this you can create a stacked wall with the plaster at the bottom and the siding at the top.

4. (Not understanding the problem here.)

5. This will be acheived by doing a roof by extrusion and then joinin the two roofs.

6. Go to the wall type properties, click edit/new, Click edit button under structure, Make sure preview is showing on the left, Go to section preview and select the layer(s) you want to need to extend. Click the line at the base and unlock it.

I know some of these are kind of vague, so I will be glad to help you further if need be.

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Mr Grimes did a very good job there. I just wanted to add a little more.

1. The one that has the wall already there I would edit the profile. The one in back I would make a new wall, doesn't have to be anything pretty, go to elevation, raise it up to a decent level, then edit your profile. I personally try to stay away from joining the walls to the roof. I seem to get myself into more trouble than not with that method.

3. If you are just drawing and not need any type of materials list, an easy way is to use split face, then paint bucket in your texture/hatch/fill pattern you'd like there. It's quick and easy. Doesn't really duplicate real world sometimes though.

4. I'm not understanding this question either. Sorry.

Just a few observations also.

Quickly, you could join geometry on the beams that come out  at the gable fascia. This will give you some crisp lines there for a 3d view.

I'm curious whatcha gonna do with that window

The wall corner on the deck where it shows a double line, you can get rid of that with editing your wall joins and selecting mitre.

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Sorry guys, I was out of town and did not have a reliable wireless connection.  I'm back and will be playing with both of your solutions.  I'll be back to you after this evening.

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Sorry guys, I was out of town and did not have a reliable wireless connection.  I'm back and will be playing with both of your solutions.  I'll be back to you after this evening.

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I'm sorry I thought a message went out a couple day's ago.  I see it hasn't.  I'm having trouble sending this with an attachment.

Here are my replys to James H Grimes:

As you can see, I changed the upstairs siding.

1. I was able to bring the siding down, so it looks correct in west elevation, even though it does not look correct here.
2. I'm still working on roof extrusion, this will be my first time using that feature.  I hope I can blend the roof's at that point, into one surface.
3. I don't understand "stacked walls".  I didn't see a stacked wall option,  I'm assuming I must draw to seperate walls on the bottom floor to get the stacked wall option?  This is also where I must "flare" out the bottom of the downstairs wall.

I'm not understanding Wall Properties - Edit/New command.  Is this how I extend the walls over the floor?  I still have the "flare"  I have to add.

Mr Framer Man,

1. Here again, I'm not sure why I'm editing the profile, is it to get the wall over the floor.  I'm thinking I should add to the bottom of the wall, however the thick the floor is.
2. I think I understand using the paint bucket for the surface material.  Does that mean the surface material is not added up with the wall?
3. #4 refers to the "flares" I must add to the roof surface and the downstairs wall.  I'm trying the extrusion roof option, and then I'll try to blend those two surfaces, into one.
4. Finally, I did not see how to blend the ridge beam with the roof.  Could you be more specific.  I also want that beam to be a 4x12 or 14, not the standard glu-lam.  Do I download that part?

I see you noticed my "bad" window upstairs.  I hope I corrected that.

I did not see the double line at the deck.  I will edit the wall joins and miter, thanks for the tip.

My questions from the attached file:

1. How do I fill the roof line under a roof overhang?
2. I'm still working on the roof radius.
3. How do I do the bottom of the downstairs wall radius?  With a profile?

Thanks,

Oscar

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Stacked walls are one of the three main wall families (Basic, Curtain, Stacked). They allow the user to create vertically compound walls and draw them as one unit. This is useful for things like Partial Height Cmu kneewalls with a stud/EIFS wall above. The only way I know to create one is to duplicate and modify the default stacked wall that comes with the templates. What you do is define the different walls that make up the compound, then you define how far each on goes up the wall. I know this is confusing. I have attached a screen shot of the properties of a stacked wall. HTH 

The problem with the roof/walls is that the sketch lines represent the both edges of the two roofs even though they are not on the same plane. To correct this you will have to create the roofs seperately and join them. (See IMAGE 1)

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Your #4 question for me is "join geometry" It was just an observation and to help you clean up your model a little.

Sorry, my days have gotten really swamped for me to give a thorough explanation, so.... 

A general overview of what you should shoot for in Revit....... You should attempt to build your model as true to form as possible. The 3d view is pretty much there for you to ooh and ahhh about. It does serve purpose from time to time during the modeling stage though. It will vary from job to job, but it can also helps you visualize where you need to work on items.

Doing a clean model is only going to benefit you in the end. Once you get everything "just right" then Revit works for you. Wall profiles are a good example. It helps keep an accurate account of siding material for instance.

You should focus on building your model as correctly as possible. Then from there, theoretically, CD's will be somewhat of a breeze.....all depending of course if you have things set up just right.

But that's the ultimate goal for Revit. 

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flaring is usually done with wall sweeps. Either predefine them in your specific wall, or you need to make a profile of your sweep in the family editor using the profile family, then import that guy into your project, then under the modeling tab, select host sweep>wall sweep. make sure your option is horizontal on your options bar, and that you are in 3d or elevation. I find 3d easier in this case.

the wall/railing question is yes. the easiest way is to make a new level named railing or something like it that you would remember easily. Then when you make the wall, have the top constraint to the railing level, then when making the railing, select the railing level as your base. Top of railing you can adjust any way you want.

timber you would have to load from your library. select beam under structural, then select load. follow the path to library>structural>framing>wood. The preloaded family you can select just one beam if you like. click the timber file once, then on the bottom of your dialog box, you have options to import just the beam you're looking for...or you can import the whole thing if you like.

the roof you have there is classic of where the roof command in revit falls a little short. a few different ways to do this, but really, just make a little roof there, with just one slope matching the roof you got there and join geometry. that's about all you can do for those. it happens quite alot for us residential guys who like gables.

quickest way to shorten that roof would be to make an opening and cut that geometry out of there. that would also be under the modeling tab. pick the vertical opening command, select your roof, then mark the part you want cut out of there. The roof you have there with the swoop at the end I would just make it all the way to the ridge there, but it's just a matter of preference. not right or wrong either way.

Join geometry is on your toolbar. It's the double square one next to the right of offset. Those two roofs, make sure your edit lines are right on top of each other, connecting perfectly, then use the join geometry command, select both roofs, then the line between them will disappear. Join geometry cleans up the appearance of your model. Same method goes for your beam and roof. join geometry, then select the two, and the appearance of your model is more pleasing and correct. 

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The way i created the model in my above post was to first create the larger roof using pick walls and giving it an overhang of 2'-0". I only picked the walls that make up the larger part of the building (I left out the three walls of the extended part). I had to use Trim to connect the sketch line for the common rear wall and short wall. This resulted in a roof over the larger part of the structure but not over the smaller part. I then created a roof over the smaller part in the same way and allowed the sketch line for the connecting part to align with the face of the larger wall. This resulted in a smaller roof over the smaller part of the building that extended into and under the larger roof. When I used Join Geometry, the common surfaces became one.

I do not know if this is the best method, its just the one I use when I come across this situation.

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Greetings Grimes,

Your image is exactly the problem I'm facing.  I did edit the profile of the wall in elevation view, and then added a new roof in plan view.  I then combined the two roof surfaces into one surface.  The view does look correct now.   

I still have question regarding my model, but the client returned from vacation and is asking me to make some changes to the plans.  I need to do that now, then I'll create a new post.  Plus I want to review some of the things that you and FramerMan have told me.  Not all of my questions were answered, so I'm still fine tuning the model.

Thanks for all the help,

Oscar

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