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Can some explain a better way to create an exterior wall with multiple faces. Basically I have a rectangular building with several different finish materials. As well, there are brick accent columns extending off the face of the wall. I have used a stacked wall at the various areas, but what about making sure the back interior face of the wall is the same face. I attached an example of what I did, but I am sure there is a better way to represent this in floor plan view without having multiple layers of walls.

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If you want the interior of the wall types to be the same, then you just make the interiors of the wall types.. the same.  I'm assuming you know how to mess with wall types, since you say you've played with Stacked Wall types, so you should know how to change the materials.  When editing a stacked wall type you should also be able to specify that the wall aligns a tthe Finish Face: Interior.  I also see that your walls are kind of butting through the other wall types where your little kickout is.  You can either specify the interior material to wrap at ends (through the edit wall types dialogue or the wall properties dialogue) or you can play with the wall joins using the wall join tool.

There is always a chance that I complete missed what you are asking.  So please, let us know if you have any further questions.

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Thanks for the help, I will try that as well. Also, maybe another related question. Let's say I have this exterior wall, which extends from corner to corner of the building. My biggest problem is how do I add the column off the face, and get rid of the finish material of the main exterior wall behind the column? If I think of how this would be constructed in the field, you would frame the main wall, then build the brick columns off the face. I can't figure out out to get rid of the finish material of the main wall behind the column.  The main wall finish material needs to bump in to the brick column.  That way I would end up with the little wall pockets at each column. Hopfully, I am explaining this okay.

 I appreciate your help.

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First, a vocab lesson (because knowledge is power!):

-Columns are typically freestanding elements, sometimes structural.

-Engaged Columns are columns that are built partially into the wall.  Usually of a different material and style of the adjacent wall. 

-Piers and Pilasters are elements built into a wall as a thickened section of the wall, usually of a similar material and style to the adjacent wall. (this is what you are talking about)  Today this is usually an asthetic frame out to appear as though a pier is present even though the structure is usually completely contained within the width of the wall.

-Engaged Pier is a structural pier.

This is my understanding on this topic.  I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am. 

There are a few ways to deal with this.

1) Make the contractor deal with it.  Seriously, if they don't know how to build it correctly, they shouldn't be building buildings.

2) Remove the portion of the wall behind the pilaster and replace it with a similar wall type without the  exterior finish on it.

3) Use Detail components in a detail view to show how the wall should work.  This includes detail component families and filled regions to get the view to look correct.  You only have to do this once per condition.

I could be wrong, but I believe if you match the pilaster material with the wall material, it will actually wrap around the pilaster.  I'll have to look back at some of my pilaster families to see how they have worked in the past, b ut I'm pretty sure I recall this happening a few times and me being very impressed with it doing that.  

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NO!!! BAD NOOB!!! Never use split face tool in lieu of stacked walls. It makes for poor BIM modeling and nasty details. Only use the split tool when you need to make a vertical split in a face to make a one part of the wall a different material...

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