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My firm does alot of prototype hotels with similar unit layouts. Right now we use groups to group our bathroom types and copy them around the building. We are trying to come up with a more efficent way because there seems to be alot of errors associated with groups when adjusting floor to floor heights, most of the errors have to do with ceilings inside of the groups. Our idea is to use links to place the bathrooms throughout a project. We create the unit type in a seperate file and then link it into Revit and copy the link around to the right locations. Has anyone ever attempted to do this before on a project? I can tell there are going to be alot of visibilty problems because levels for each link will show up in every view, but I'm wondering if the advantages would out weight the disadvantages. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks, Adam
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Never tried it. sounds viable tho, as long as your plumbing fixtures aren't wall based. You will have some problems with wall joins in external files.
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Hi Adam, You bring up a good point about visibilities in the view. We have not gone beyound discussion on the matter here and have speculated if wall cleanups would also be an issue............ Our office does a lot of huge senior living projects, so far we are still using the group approach and hoping to find or develop non-hosted casework, etc. Carla
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Hey Carla, Nice to hear from you again. Yah we are having some serious problems with ceilings and ceiling hosted families in groups. It seems on every project there is always a need to change the floor to floor heights, and there is never an easy way to do it without tons of errors popping up, mostly due to groups and ceilings. For some of our hotels, our clients actually use pre-built modular bathrooms complete with all interior finishes that are shipped to the site and then slipped into placed. We are trying to come up with a way in Revit to keep groups like that outside of the file and then put them right into place without all kinds of errors. Adam
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Hello again, I have added gyp ceilings to groups along with raised walls for the side soffits, but have not gotten to the point in my project to try and add actual components to ceilings and groups. Hope Revit can improve on these kind of things and fast. You made me think of one thing I had to be very careful of in adding groups as far as the wall joins..... I have curtain walls as groups and found that I had to 'disallow join' on some of my end walls and curtain wall ends. Otherwise, they groups wanted to ungroup. Same thing with walls to walls. Might work to your advantage in treating them as seperate files if there isn't a clean up between files. I need to run a test, give it a try and see if that is the case. As far as floor to floor heights and groups. I found that I could not join walls to the ceiling above when using groups or they errored. Had to tell them to be a specific distance from the floor above. The perk with blocks in CAD was being able to put a block in a block. You could have a bathroom, kitchen, etc. that repeated in rooms that didn't necessarily have the same floor plans all combined. If I figure anything out any time, I'll share...... and/or watch to see if you or someone else finds a solution. Good Luck!
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Carla and Adam I was just wondering if using links was successful for you all. We do a lot of hotel work and I am having problems with guestroom groups just randomly ungrouping. It's very frustrating I think we may need to use links.
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Probably rehashing but here it goes: 1. Groups should not join to objects outside of the group if at all possible. So if you have walls in a hotel room group that hit demising walls that are not in the group, they should not be joining to that wall. 2. groups don't randomly ungroup. someone is not reading their errors when they are making changes to groups.
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If you get an error with editing a group, wouldn't it ask you if you want to ungroup the group?
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Yea and someone is ignoring it.
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