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The rendering tool in Revit is being left behind by other products. Autodesk seems to want to sell VIZ and is letting the built-in rendering tool in Revit stagnate until Revit users are forced to quit using it and buy, they hope, VIZ. I got news for Autodesk. If they force me to buy a separate rendering tool, VIZ will be the last one on my list.
One of the weak points of Revit is the site portion of the project. It seems little effort has been put into building a BIM that includes site data nor any effort to make the site building tools efficient. Laying out parking lots, curbs, sidewalks, striping, etc. is very crude and clumsy in Revit. All real sites have sloped topography and getting the site elements to align to it or layout on it is a joke. (Does Autodesk think that they can sell a Revit Site Software in the future to Civil Engineers and make more money that way than letting Architects do the normal site design and detailing?) The truth is that, unless it is a huge project, most architects do not use Civil Engineers to do their sites. To serve Architects properly, the BIM model and tools need to be vastly improved in terms of building site designs.
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i disagree a little bit. i would rather AutoDesk fix some of the problems with the architectural components than fix the site and rendering issues. i have never been on a project that isnt using a civil engineer. i dont know what you define as a 'huge project' but i have worked on some very modest projects, and if there is any site work at all, a Civil gets involved. maybe it is California's requirements...
that is neither here nor there though. i would rather Autodesk focus their efforts on fixing/making better the architectural issues of the BIM. it is the best program i have come across, but it isnt perfect. i will gladly sacrifice rendering ability, and unless it is a complex site, i dont see the need to make it 3-D unless you plan on rendering it. just my $.02
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yah i agree with gdoorn...i dont know of any Architect out there that does their own civil engineering on any sort of commercial projects large or small. I'm from NY and its the same here. Unless the Architecture firm has an inhouse surveying department and engineering department, which might be the case sometimes in a large firm but rarely. It is the Architects responsibiltiy alot of the time to design the site layout and coordinate the information with the civil engineer so they can produce the civil drawings.
Hogmodo, your right that the site design portion of Revit does need some work, but at the same time I think Autodesk is not focusing on the site because it really isn't used as extensively as the Architectural Components. Autodesk definitely needs to focus on improving and tweaking the little workflow issues in Revit as well as the Architectural elements and not worry about rendering or site design right now. As for rendering, I use to be a 3d renderer before I started to focus on just using Revit for Architectural drawings, and well in the rendering world Viz and Max are the high end programs that Autodesk makes and I think it should stay that way, while also in the real rendering world most people use other rendering engines such as Maxwell and VRay to create the lighting and their final rendered images. Revit needs to stick with what it is, which is a Building Information Modelling software and leave the rendering up to the big boys. And that was my .02 cents...haha...
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Hogmodo, Revit is doing something to update their rendering capability. From the rumors I've heard, Autodesk will be using Viz w/in Revit as its new rendering engine. Accurender is to be replaced in Revit 10.
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having better rendering capabilities to do better presentations is very important
I look at this site 2 to 3 times a day and I am always looking to see if Revit is
getting a better rendering engine or at least some more options for direct
import to other good rendering engines
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.................$300,000. I have been practicing for almost thirty years. Unless it was to do a sewer treatment plant, bridge, or major subdivision project, we never use Civil Engineers. We might hire one to do a water retention analysis only, but WE layout the parking, WE layout the site improvements, and WE have better results designing the drainage around the building. We do mostly schools, churches, branch banks, small office buildings, etc.
I realize that engineering lobbyists are stronger in some states and get stronger mandates for their involvement, but we have not been blest with that wisdom here. My complaint is there appears to be no reason that Revit could not be made to work much better in terms of site design. Some of you may not need it, but we do in a big way.
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Hooray, keep pushing... don't care much about the rendering issues, although it would be good to have improved this... what would be excellent is to improve the site design tools, especially being able to cut and fill on the site. Another thing which I think is ignored in the site aspects is that trees don't cast shadows. I can't understand how any software package or software developer can make any claims to advancing the cause of design, and particularly sustainable design, when this aspect of needing to see how shadows are cast by trees on individual sites does not work. This seems to ignore a basic element of good design.
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