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Ok. I'm stumped. Revit 2017.2
We have brick panels inlays that happen at some walls. I have modeled them in place using a void to cut the brick out of the wall that is there (3-5/8" deep). I then modeled my new brick in the patterend inlay as we wanted it.
My questions:
Plan view - it always shows the brick stepping backwards. I dont want it to step backwards. I want it to be removed completely. What am I doing wrong? In section - sometimes it shows up right (like now see image 1) but other times it doesnt... (see image 2)
I've attached a test file and 2 images that show the situation.
Thanks for any suggestions you may have.
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I just completed a project last year where I had a lot of brick manipulation like you have. My process was a little different than yours. If the step back/out was multistory, I split the wall vertically and used a different wall. If the area was a panel as I think you are describing, I used a face based void family to only cut the stepback amount. Then I painted the stepback area with the brick... and yes, you have to paint the edges if you do this.
So it works in 3D and elevation but plans and sections only show the stepback in the face and the back line is wrong. I only addressed this in larger scale details using the cut profile tool.
If you don't like my method, consider splitting the walls vertically and using a stacked wall to define the paneled sections.
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WWHub, thanks for the reply.
All of the steps are single story or less. Some are only 6' tall. Happen above a door, or in some cases - on a curved face. This was the hard one for me. I couldnt get a curved face based family to work right. It would cut it in flat. The only way i could get this to work, was with an in-place model. So i just went ahead and did them all as model-in-place.
From your process - I should convert my "Flat" Faces to the face-based void families. This will fix the problem in those cases... However what is the correct process for a curved wall?
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b lue, Think positive instead of negative. Looking at your image, I would make the wall be the thinnist area then use sweeps for the plus areas. Much easier to come out than in.
Some of the brickwork - finished product.
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If I do sweeps, do you lay them out like this? (see attached)
I can see this working. I'll have to split the wall up behind the pilasters to get the correct brick location (it's currently missing anyway)
I see ALOT of sweeps happening to make this work, unless I'm overlooking somethign here.
Does this look right? - Thanks again for your input
*edit.
those corners must have been a nightmare in revit. I have some i'm dealing with now, it's a real PITA.
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You could actually build those horizontal sweeps in the wall definition, If done in-place, one sweep could do 1+.75 and 2.0 - similar for bottom. My single brick end steps were an in-place vertical sweep (or family) One geometry.
What are your thoughts for those corner plinths? Seems like a nice place for a piece of stone - face based family just proud enough of the surface so you don't have to carve anything out.
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I just tested something out... It never crossed my mind to use a face-based object on a sweep. I don't know why. But yes, it cuts it perfectly. So I can do 4 simple sweeps with a corner piece applied.
Much simpler. THANK YOU!
To answer your question - the corner piece will either be 8"Xx8" precast, or two 4"x8" different colored bricks.
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i think you can use a curtain wall and use the filling panel to be your general type of wall , and then with your curtain grid mark your panel and change it to the other type of wall you need , and that works for your first querry
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WWHub,
THink im going to have to split them into individual 8" high sweeps. The corners causes problems.
The outside plinth will only cleanup with 1 of the sweeps if on the outside.
The inside plinth will cleanup with both the vertical and horizontal sweep.
If i stack 2 plinths on top of each other, the outside corners works fine - but i have duplicates.
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so the individual pieces can be made to do what i want on a straight wall. But the sweeps are being very argumentative in the veritcal direction.
I think in the end I am going to have to leave those as a model in place ... otherwise I have to do some math to figure out the curved brick and create a new profile of that.
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I think my verticals may have been modeled in place but I can't remember.
Having fun yet? Solving problems - be they Revit, detail or client is what this was all about for me.
BTW - If you look around Ft Mill, you will see what my image was.... CY
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I DO enjoy the challenges. some people don't. but I very much do.
I had to change my thinking on how this is done. The sweeps are much better.
I've already replaced the panels on the entire building, and finishing up the curves now.
I've not been to Ft Mill SC yet.
Next time I'm down there i'll keep an eye out for that brick detail!
*edit*
got it all worked out. Had to model the corner plinth's and the vertical sweeps in place. But it works perfectly.
Thanks again!
Edited on: Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:50:56 PM
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