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Hi!
I'm trying to block existing elements in model so they for example don't extend when I move new wall.
I tried to pin all existing elements, design options, now worksharing. Linking the existing model wouldn'b be a solution because I would have to open the existing model in diffirent session when i would want to demolish a door for example.
Any idea?
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I suggest you DON'T pin everything. This is a beginner's mistake that will cause you real problems.
To solve your movement problems, you can do a couple of things.
- Turn off what used to be called 'press and drag'. The symbol is located on the bottom bar two icons away from the funnel. It is an arrow. When that is on, anything you touch will move with the cursor.
- Pay attention to your selection sets. That's what the funnel / filter does for you as well as the selection identity in the lower left whenever you click on an object. Remember, this is a 3D model and multiple elements cand reside in the same place or might be hidden. Using a window or crossing selects objects you can see and those that may be hidden. Use your funnel to see if you have the right categories and refine your selection. If you are individually picking, read what you are over in the lower left and use the tab key to select otrher object that are in the same place.
- With design options, there is an active only checkbox on the lower bar that limits your selections.
- On the lower right, there is also a switch that limits the selection of links and one for underlay elements.
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Thx for replying.
Selecting right elements is not a problem. Just need to be careful.
The problem is wall joining. Extending existing wallls ends with new ones when joined.
I know that in 2017 I can disallow joining when drawing new walls... but it is not a solution.
What would help me: block existing model with its wall joined. New walls joins only with new ones.
Maybe existing and new may be joined but I don't want existing change.
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Wouldn't Phasing be a solution?
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Revit will always join two walls no matter what the phase. Yes, in 2016 R2 and 2017, you can turn off join ahead of time but you can turn it off after placement by clicking on the end node of the new wall if you only have limited problems. The existing wall will then return to its existing condition.
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True, if they exist in the same phase. Otherwise they won't. Anyway, just a thought.
By the way, my build 16.0.490.0 20150714_1515(x64) Service Pack 2 has no feature to turn off wall joining when initially creating the wall. 2017 does have this feature. Nice enhancement too.
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If you test your answer before posting, you will discover that no matter what the phase, same or different, two walls that intersect will join unless the end join switch of one wall, or the other (if both at and end) is set to not join.
Easy test.
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No they won't WW. If they don't exist in the same phase. In other words, if I create a wall in "Existing" and demo it in "New Construction", a wall created in "New Construction" will not join to the demo'd wall.
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In your case, of course it won't join - it is demolished but the question had nothing to do with demolition!
The demolition example was only why he didn't want the element in a different model - in case he wanted to modify existing elements - but had nothing to do with the wall joins.
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Really WW; that’s your come-back: to yell at, and brow-beat a member for contributing a possible solution? Where do you get off telling me, or anyone for that matter, how another member’s post should be read and interpreted? My understanding, which may or may not be correct, is that Lukdab’s post has EVERYTHING to do with wall joins – because he said – and I quote: “The problem is wall joining”. And the member indicated that he has tried Pinning, Design Options, Worksharing, Linking, and whatnot, in attempts to resolve the problem. Lukdab asked for other ideas, so I offered “Phasing” for HIS consideration – not for YOUR DRAMA.
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Calm down.
Demolish elements and set the phase filter for demolished BY CATEGORY... maybe would work but I do demolition of some parts of the so how would I show the diffirence between them?
And...the existing wall doesn't allways come back to its original posiion after disallow joining the new one.
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lukdap,
I am interested in your observation "...the existing wall doesn't allways come back to its original posiion after disallow joining the new one." I have never seen that happen and I'm wondering what may create this problem.
Obviously we are talking about the end of an existing wall where a new wall touches it. I'm wondering if when the existing wall extends to form the junction if it is also attaching to another wall at that limit. That other wall may even be above/below. I can't reproduce any other reason for this to happen.
I'm wondering if time affects this as well. My experience has only been tu turn off the junction immediately. If you have an intervening save, the existing wall end may have been re-defined.
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I mean:
-there is an existing wall
-draw new wall that joins with the existing one
-move the new one -> end of existing extends
-click disallow join on the new one -> both walls unjoin -> existing wall doesn't come back to its previous position
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OK - That makes sense. I can see where the disjoin would have to happen immediately after placement before the new wall is moved. Otherwise, the initial join of the existing wall has been recorded as a modification and as I test it, the end of the existing wall is relocated to the center of the new wall.
So the answer here would appear to be that the disjoin has to happen before the move. But hold on.... I also tested this enough to see that the existing wall does not move back completely to its origional location. It only moves back to the center of the connecting wall. In other words if the new wall just grazes the existing wall, the existing will be extended to the center of the new wall.
I suggest uou turn off the wall join before allowing the new wall to touch the existing wall. We do that by purposly placing the new wall short, turn off the join then drag the wall end to where we want it.
Another learning experience....
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Yes. Even when you draw new wall next to an end of the existing wall the end would extend and won't come back to original position.
Drawing with DISALLOW JOIN option ON is a solution but it's not convinient.
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