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Hi everybody!

I have the following query regarding linked models in revit:

I have modeled the structural file, in which the concrete slabs are placed at their leves, without any offset. This structural model will be linked to the architectural model.

The architectural model will have its levels 10 cm over those of the structural level to allow the finishing layers.

How can I relate the levels of each one of the models?

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I'm not sure what you are asking.  You should not have to 'relate' anything. 

Typically, the structural engineer might copy/monitor the architect's levels and in this case, model his slabs 10 cm below the architect's.  But no matter, your levels are where they are and you can just turn off the linked structural levels.

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Thank you WWHub, I have just solved the problem by following your advice.

I have another question now... I have modelled the architecture in one model and the structure in other linked model. Of course both interfere. Is there a way to join elements from one liked model to other, to solve the interference?

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Sorry, the answer is no.

What interfers?  There are several things you can copy/monitor between structural and architectural projects.  When building the structural model, you might want to C/M the architects walls.  When you coordinate the two files, the C/M walls will then act just like the architect's walls. 

There is another advantage here that the structural engineer can specify what wll type to use when C/M the architect's model.  THis could be a structural wall that doesn't have all of the architectural finishes. 

If the structural does C/M your walls, you will want to turn off the structural walls in that linked model.   This can be done through VG and best done using view templates.

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There are elements that will always interfere i.e. the facade with the structural slabs and with the structural columns, given that the structure is usually embedded in the architecture elements. When we are not working with a linked model this is very easy to solve by joining these elements, this is why I thought that it should be also possible in a linked model. I am also sorry to hear that it is not possible , I do not know how to make my model look accurate without solving this issue.

Thank you anyway for your explanation about the copy/monitor procedures!!

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C/M is a two way street.  Although I prefer to create the floor and let structural C/M it, the process can work the other way.   Part of the reason to C/M object is to get them in your project where they will interact as you want them to.  In this case, have the walls cut out around the floor edge I assume. 

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I will try to solve the issue in section by unlocking some of the layers of the wall and moving their top/base to adjust to those of the slab. In plan, I think that creating architectural columns that could wrap the structural ones can also be a solution. Do you agree with that?

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Columns in walls and wrapping them is always a problem.  I don't like to use architectural columns here because they don't work the way I want.   Architectural columns act really like a pilaster.  The solution sometimes depends on the column type and where it is in relation to the wall.   Full or partial embed.

I have used different wall types (like furring and gyp) to wrap around protruding columns but then the short wall issue sometimes comes up.  I usually group this solution for easy placement at multiple locations.  If the column is embedded like a steel column, I have sometimes used a vertical void family to cut a hole in the wall where the column is.   I have also used adjustable column wrap families.  If the column is solid structural, I would prefer to use the column and only add the skin if I need to.

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It sounds interesting what you say about adjustable column wrap families, I should ckeck about that...

Returning to the issue of the structural model not joining the walls, I think that maybe is also possible duplicating the column in the architectural model, only for the visualization purpose of not seeing the layers of the wall interfering with the structural column of the linked model.

Maybe it is a personal thing but it is hard to me to see unjoined elements in my models

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