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matheusdiniz

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Hello,

i am having the exact same problems as the ones described in this post: http://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=26172

i was editing my wall joins with the edit tool until a certain point and then, when selcting the joins, most of them are grayed out.

the only diffefrence from the post above, i think, is that it started after i made a central file.

Does anyone know how to solve this?

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WWHub

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Not enough information.  BTW - It has nothing to do with your central file.

Are there stacked walls involved?

Is there a sketch on the wall?

Do you have Design Options?

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matheusdiniz

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Hi WW,

since most of the information is identical to the linked post, i didn't think it necessary to write it all again.

no stacked walls, no design options.

first image: a wall join i edited before the problem happened and can no longer edit.

second image: same wall join, another view, cant edit, not the join i wanted.

third image: same view as second image, one of the only joins i can select and edit, see the options are not grayed out ate the top.

btw, the option for wall joins for the view is also grayed out.

thanks for the quick reply.

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I look at your images but you don't tell us what you want or what is wrong.

Do you understand layer priorities?  If not, read your HELP.

http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Revit/enu/2013/Help/00001-Revit_He0/2760-Tools_an2760/3015-Compound3015/3018-Applying3018#GUID-1CCD1005-CBDA-4338-8D60-489095D4BB25

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matheusdiniz

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WW,

I understand layer priorities, but that is not an option for this case, at least not for this project. Since i was able to edit the joins before to get the result i wanted, i just want to know why i cant do it anymore and how to solve it.

here are the images again with some more explanation and the problem areas pointed out.

first image: the join i edited before in red (don't clean join), that is how i want it to be. the problem is, i can no longer edit it, as indicated in the upper left corner with the grayed out configuration options.

second image: same join in red, other view, different join configuration. this view i made after making the central file, and when i try to edit the join so it does not clean join the options are grayed out, as indicated in red.

third image: the join that i am still able to edit (middle one), along with some i cant (right and left). you can notice the configurations are not grayed out and open to be edited.

i don't know waht else to tell you about my problem.

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First image.... Did someone turn off wall joins for the end of that wall.

All images - Is the "hollow" wall one wall or a box formed by several walls?  The core of your vertical wall extending across the hollow doesn't make sense.

I don't see a selection box for the join edit.  Do a tab select your joins to make sure you are on the right intersection..... make sure the box is where you want it. 

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first image: nobody turned off wall joins for the end of that wall (like i wrote before, i selected the option don't clean join as wall join configuration)

second image: for the box to close properly on the openings, i had to put the white (hollow) part as the core layer and the brick (the diagonal hatch) as an outer layer, that's why the core of the other wall went inside like that. Since there is an option to edit the wall join, i didn't think it would be problematic to do it like that. Then the option suddenly stopped working and now i don't know what to do.

The selection box for the join is there, it is just a very faint gray. the strangest thing for me is that it still works for some joins and not for others.

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I'm having the same problem, and through all these threads have yet to find a solution. For example, all of these walls shown are in the same workset, which is non-editable. However, it will let me select the perpendicular corner on the right and change my wall join options. However, while it will let me select the join in the middle, with the angled join, it won't let me choose my options, and I need the wall with the door in it to just butt up to the other wall, not actually join it. 

Was anyone able to figure out why this works sometimes and not others?

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To not actually join two walls, click on the wall and right click on the blue dot at the end of the wall.  Now you can turn off wall join for this end of the wall.  This is an instance setting.  You can do it again to reverse the process.

NOTE:  This will give you a square end to the wall.  In your case, if you want no join but an angled end, you will also have to add an in-place, vertical void to cut the end of the wall.

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Actually, I figured it out, thanks to another post on Google of someone with the same problem (it appears to be fairly common. Here's the post that helped and worked for me, and I got the end result I was looking for! 

http://whatrevitwants.blogspot.com/2014/01/dont-clean-join-where-only-two-walls.html

(Picture of final result attached)

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Ah... Your layer priority did what you needed - But your walls did join (outside layer) which is what you sid you didn't want.

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Unfortuantely that's as close as revit will let me get with it. I can fake the rest in a detail, but that's as much as it will let me edit the join. 

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