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Vaughany01

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The project I am working on has a large number of structural walls.

These walls require doors but the Structural file will obviously be drawn/owned by the structural engineers.

As the doors are an architectural element we do not want to rely on structural engineers having them drawn within their model and we also don want everytime we recieve and iteration of their drawing to have to go in and place doors.

Does anyone know of solution ... is there anyway to make a door non hosted? i think this would be the best solution.. other oIdeas thought of which i dont think are great are to :

- draw using a curtain wall system

- Draw a wall the width of the door to host the door.

- If you cant make a door non hosted can you change its host to a room seperation line?

apart from non hosted doors, these solutions seem more of a fudge and all add extra work.. any suggestions??

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WWHub

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Copy monitor their walls and place your doors.

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coreed

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Also because a wall is designated as structural does not mean it has to be created and owned by the structural enginneers. If so, then i would do as WWHub suggests and Copy Monitor their walls.

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Vaughany01

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dont worry guys... ive worked out how to make a door non hosted... which i can put into an opening in a structural wall, when the structural engineers drawing is referenced in. much better solution!

thanks anyway! 

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WWHub

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Not at all worried - This is your project.  I just think you are making a mistake not learning how to use the CM process.

Please come back and share your experiences.

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coreed

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with this process you will be provided no notification of changes by the engineers. it will be strickly a manual process of notification. in my opinon not a better solution. But as i have learned over the years, to each his own in this crazy work Revit/BIM

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Vaughany01

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Better to have the architectural elements drawn and controlled in the architectural drawings. and JUST the structural elements drawn within the structural drawings.

If it was multi dis. Done by the same company i would concider putting the doors in the structural file. but as it is a seperate company we would prefer they (the structural engineers) do not have control of the architectural elements.

As for copy monitor this duplicates walls into the file and yes provides feedback of changes.. but is it that hard to manage that feedback on about 20 doors... I think when you reference there files in it will be apparent where the errors are (if any). Also i noticed when you remove the link the walls remain.. we dont want to be doubling up on walls!

and as advised by BIM standards within the UK ... this is the correct way of managing architectural/structural elements

plus as i was told on revit city that it wasnt possible to make a non wall hosted door... and i have.. (which may I add knows it is a door and schedules/elevates etc correctly) I now question the quality of the answers i am getting back

but as i said.. thanks for your time. We are happy with the solution we have found so no need for any more 'help'

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WWHub

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I think you need a better understanding of the CM process.  There is no doubling up of walls in the model.

I don't know why you would remove the link.  Don't do that to update, just reload.

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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Vaughany01.

I am a late adopter of Revit, so I spend a lot of time scouring relatively old discussions on this board and others trying to figure out how to make revit cooperate with the production of construction documents.

Thank you for your very relevant bread crumb trail, regarding how to control architectural doors that need to be displayed and scheduled correctly, while referencing walls in a structural link from another firm. I now have a door displaying correctly in my model, in the opening of a concrete wall from a linked file, and the door is listed correctly in my door schedule. Yay.

Thank you Vaughany01 for posting very useful information, in the midst of condescention from others.

On a related note- This is my first Revit project. Our office's current standard includes linking files, and people are also using "copy monitor", but my experience with this is similar to what you described in this thread four years ago.

Structural and HVAC have copied my doors, walls, and rooms into their files, so that my schedules include multiple copies of each item. And to anyone else who feels the need to lecture me on how easy it is to correct this, yes I have already added a filter  to the schedules. If there are better solutions, I'd be happy to hear about them- especially if there is a way to turn these items off globally- so far that doesn't seem possible from what I've tried and read.

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