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frifer

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the 3d environment is not what i would call simple.

autodesk has a lot of 3D modelling programs (inventor, inventor fusion, 3d max, autocad...) you cant find 2 programs that look or work the same way. the revit modelling environment is primitive. it has just a few modeling tools, no holes, chamfers, roundings, arrays in sketches, the align tool is awful (compare it with the one present in inventor!), the modelling logic (first draw and then glue it to reference planes and quote them instead of quoting the oject itself) is just totally different then ANYTHING auodesk made.

i think that with a projekt like autodesk seek behind revit its just stupid to have people to start learning from scratch JUST to create some families. companies must have a revit modeller with a lot of experience to model certain things. if it would be easier (LIKE OTHER >>>AUTODESK<<< PRODUCTS) then a lot more companies would jump inand start modelling since it is within their reach! right now i am absolutely unsatisfied with this environment. revit has some da*n cool features like the parametric modelling, quite good rendering, etc. and seeing such a crappy family modeling environment in revit just makes me angry. moreover because families in revit are not a plus, but a MUST. do you guys think that it is normal that on almost any revit forum there is a "tipps and tricks" section where people share tricks to overcome the modelling weaknesses of the program?

obviously nothign against you guys, maybe i am just to stupid to use such a "primitive" environment, it just makes me angry because they have experience, they have the knowledge but somehow i have the feeling that each program follows its own paths.. so you have Inventor, autocad, revit but actually you dont have AUTODESK inventor, AUTODEKS autocad and AUTODESK revit. i dont feel ok that revit can import SKETCHUP files but cannot import INVENTOR files.

sorry for the frustration, but we invested money in this and it makes me angry.

just my few cents...

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WWHub

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Maybe you just need some time to learn the program.

For those of us that started with AutoCAD 2.6, we have come a long way.

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Typhoon

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Ditto!

About the "Inventor files"... I believe you can export that in SAT files Correct? If so you can import that in REVIT

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frifer

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thats the point! i think that somebody who has used autodesk products for over 15 years should at least feel A LITTLE BIT comfortable in theyr products.  the programs should follow a similar line. if you use word for years then you will find in excel the same buttons the same functions except those specific to excel obviously. imagine if in word you change the font one way, and in excel a totally different way... what i am saying is that they HAVE the knowledge to make good things, they just dont do it. instad of having 85 programs, suites, and whatever it would be better to have 10 but at least working and not with every year the SAME bugs that have been corrected in previous versions.

typhoon, ditto to my text or wwhub's one? btw, there are always workarounds, i can also export in dwg from inventor. i just think that its stupid to suport natively files from third party programs and not to support your own files...

gain just my few cents...

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WWHub

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Our point is that you have only been using the software for a couple of weeks.  You really don't know it well enough to make your criticisms.

Revit is for buildings.  Inventor is for equipment.  Each program has its own merits but neither can do what the other does in the field they were designed to be used in.

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hoffmanr

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Revit was never intended to completely emulate an autodesk product- it now has its similarities and is becoming yet another bloated Autodesk product so that should at least make you happy in that way... this program was NOT created by Autodesk so keep that in mind next time you decide to bash it for not having every single tool you THINK you need.  Interoperability is on its way so keep your chin up and try to take in all the "stupid" information you can- its good for you.

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teafoe5

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"Our point is that you have only been using the software for a couple of weeks. You really don't know it well enough to make your criticisms."

I have to agree with WWHub.  I have been using this program for 3 years now and altough it had a high learning curve when I started it is far from "primitive" and I would not go back.  You can't expect to have everything the same from one program to the next otherwise what's the point in having different programs.  Learn to grow with the technology.  There are a ton of tutorials and books out there for Revit you should check out if you are having troubles.

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frifer

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guys i think you are misunderstanding my point... i am not expecting 3D modelling from autocad. i am also not expecting a perfect 3d modeling from inventor fusion. and ofcourse i am not expecting a perfect 3d modelling from revit.

my point is that you use only 50 % of revit if youre not familiar with families and are not able to create/edit them. so what i am saying is that for beeing THAT important inside the program its primitive. you can do a LOT of things, but you have to be smart and find your way to do things. more or less comparable with the assembler programming language.. you can do a LOT but you have to be smart enough to solve the problems on the way... i would be fine with this environment if the creation and editing of families would be an almost unused feature but unfortunately its essential here..

hope you understand what i mean.

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igor

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Sorry - but you missed our point.  You don't know what you are talking about.  In our office, we only want 2-3 people out of 20+ that do any sort of family building. 

• Your absolutly right - creating families are not for the novice. 
• Your statement "...my point is that you use only 50 % of revit if youre not familiar with families and are not able to create/edit them..."   << And you are absolutly wrong with that statement.  We have very productive people that can't build a simple family.

We were all beginners once. 

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I once again agree with WWHub.. familys are a big part of revit and to know how to build them takes time and not everybody needs to do that.  I also have people in my office that have nothing to do with families, all they do is use them in the projects.   You are not going to learn everything over night.

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kameliaaa

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can i contact with you?i am writing revit book and i have some q

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frifer

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hi guys here i am! weekend is over.. :D

ok, but basically those in your office that do not need the modelling and are very productive, don't need it because there is somebody else (you) who is making the families for them!  i wouldnt need them also if somebody would make them for me...

i do get your point, i still think that it COULD be made a lot better...

i like this kind of discussions because it helps to understand many things of the revit world..

kamelia who would oyu like to contact? i suppose not me.. :D

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