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Well i have another design project for school. this time we have to desgin a multi-use, muilti story building. The program
is the following:
Bussiness offfices 50,000 sqft
Educational offices for UM-Flint - 20000 sqft
Retail and Entertainment - 100,000 sqft
Loft living - 30,000 sqft
The site is located in downtown Flint, MI. Attached are a screen shot of the site, and also of the buiding mass i have done.
Anyway, I was wondering what would be the best way to work on this project, ie use a single file for the entire project or do
multiple project files and link them? I have not had that much experince with doing multi-story buildings in Revit.
I also am trying to achive a mix of both Art Deco and Modern styles since two buildings on the south side of the site the
Mott Foundation Building (Art Deco) and the vacant Genesse Towers which is modern stye
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Looks like a cool project...
Personally, when I have multiple (large) buildings spread out over a large site, I like to work on each building in a separate file and link them all into the site file (which is also separate as well).
But if all your spaces are within one building as it appears in your mass, I would keep it all in one file- and multi-story isn't really a major factor when it comes to linking (at least with a building of that size, as well as the fact that I am sure you aren't putting every little interior detail in). Also, if your site is just a simple topo so your building isn't "floating" then there's no reason to not include that as well.
I usually get pretty detailed and elaborate with my sites, hence the reason for creating a separate one entirely.
As usual in Revit, there are multiple ways to do the same thing... and even outside factors (such as your hardware performance) will affect that answer. Good luck with the project- love to see the final product so post on here if you get a chance!
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I see, i was thinking about doing a single file. The difficult part i think will be trying to intergrate a modern style, and the
art deco.
thankfully, we don't have to worry about parking, since our teacher said we can assume that the Gennesee Towers building
will be either demoed (which it should be), or reopened just the parking garage part of it. Parking is a curse.
As for detail, the teacher basicly said that he wants to spaces and individual details, like for example he wants to see a
space marked Toilet Rooms, not individual toilets.
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Yeah for your project I would keep it in one file as well. Especially if you are just partitioning the interior as I suspected (there's only so much time for school projects!). Also, good news about the parking... that would take up even more of your time!
As for marrying two architectural styles... that is never easy no matter how you slice it. My girlfriend just sent me this link because she liked the house but it made me think of your project with two very distinct styles coming together.
http://design-milk.com/barcode-house-by-david-jameson/
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That's a neat house. The way one of the oter students described it was doing a circle to a square, below I attached pics of
a new concpet mass i did. Also attached is an image of the Genesse Towers and Mott Foundation Building, (which is
actually where my teacher's office is) For the roof areas I was planning on using them as outdoor spaces.
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Wow, the Genesee Towers are god awful ugly. 8 floors of parking for 10 floors of office space?! What's wrong with that picture?!
The Mott Foundation building has some nice character to it. I also like that 3 or 4 story brick building behind them with the modern glass addition to it.
I like all the interlocking and setbacks (and the bridge element too!) of your mass model but some tips I would give are to watch the massing and hierarchy from top to bottom. For instance, your first level is only "one module" high whlie the levels above it are 2 or more modules in height which makes it look heavy and almost as if it is squishing the lower levels. The other aspect is all the curves... I mention this because I had a "curves phase" when I was in school and I feel like it is a common occurence among design students. Since then I've come to realize curves are most likely related to being either really cheesy or super modern. So there's a little (unrequested :-p) constructive criticism... of course, you're just in the initial design phase so plenty of time for modification.
Oh, and hopefully you are doing a lot of freehand sketching as well! The power of Revit is great, but I believe all initial concepts are best translated with a pencil and paper!
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Thanks for the criticisim, a little critisim never hurts. It's just getting everything to work right. but the curve bridge idea,
actually faces saginaw st, the main street.
So to break it up, do you think that if tieried the different levels would help? My plan was to kinda go from modern on the
first one or two floors then tranistion to the art deco look?
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I almost think doing the opposite would be easier... Deco up to Modern. I assume you are going more for the new york style deco over the miami style deco since that more closely resembles your site... Based on that, despite thinking the deco style is pretty bad on the whole, I think some deco buildings have some nice elements you could incorporate in your design. Especially for a building base...
I attached a few images that I think do a nice job of combining the two styles... in the Decomod image, which is more Deco, I think the addition of the large glass windows incorporates a modern element to it but still maintaining it's primarily deco identity.
The other two are definitely more modern with a less (but still there) Deco presence... These two architectural styles are very difficult to combine I think so it will be a challenge to either create a project that is primarily one style with elements of the other style or an even combination of both... Very interested to see it develop though... Makes me miss studio projects!
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I see, definatley moreof a new york style, since kinda like the Mott building. I attached another concept, doing more of a
tiered look, with bridges / walkwals connecting the stories. I'm trying to maximise the green space, while at the same time
trying to keep a low building height, so as to look not too out of place. Most of the building in downtown a flint are 4-6
stories with the exception of a few. Gennesse is the tallest.
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I was going to ask about the site... it is so massive compared to your building- are you supposed to develop the whole thing? I think it is great you are keeping the footprint as small as possible. Personally I love creating terraces and bridges like you are so I am all for that. I do think it would be nice to create a tower element though as well. Nothing massive but maybe 7 or 8 stories which could cater to the office spaces. Plus it won't look too out of place with those two high rises across the street.
You might want to just take a step or two back and create zones for each of the spaces you need. Will it all be integrated? Separate? How does it all relate to the site? I am sure there are plenty case studies you can look up but here is one I know very well since it is where I live in Atlanta and has gotten a lot of publicity nationally for mixed use development. There are some large high rises included but for the most part it is similar heights to what you are thinking... check it out- http://www.atlanticstation.com/shop/directory/?id=217
It is basically an outdoor mall and caters to the whole "live, work, play" concept where you never have to leave to get everything you need. Anyway, the point is you can walk around and get to everything there plus there is a real nice little courtyard where they do outdoor movies in the summer, have bands, etc. If your site is to be fully developed, adding elements like that is definitely something you might want to think about.
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I was going to ask about the site... it is so massive compared to your building- are you supposed to develop the whole thing? I think it is great you are keeping the footprint as small as possible. Personally I love creating terraces and bridges like you are so I am all for that. I do think it would be nice to create a tower element though as well. Nothing massive but maybe 7 or 8 stories which could cater to the office spaces. Plus it won't look too out of place with those two high rises across the street.
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The site is approx, 100,000 sqft of buildable area so it's not to big of an area. And our total estimated area is going to be 200,000 so i have to go up. Plus going with the 7 or 8 stories is good since after about the 4th floor you get the good views. I don't know if you noticed this or not but the concept i have steps up in height as move around the building.
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You might want to just take a step or two back and create zones for each of the spaces you need. Will it all be integrated? Separate? How does it all relate to the site? I am sure there are plenty case studies you can look up but here is one I know very well since it is where I live in Atlanta and has gotten a lot of publicity nationally for mixed use development. There are some large high rises included but for the most part it is similar heights to what you are thinking... check it out- http://www.atlanticstation.com/shop/directory/?id=217
It is basically an outdoor mall and caters to the whole "live, work, play" concept where you never have to leave to get everything you need. Anyway, the point is you can walk around and get to everything there plus there is a real nice little courtyard where they do outdoor movies in the summer, have bands, etc. If your site is to be fully developed, adding elements like that is definitely something you might want to think about.
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I see, that's kinda what my teacher was saying to me last night. will it work? does everything fit within the req. sqft? One thing do plan doing is that about 2 blocks away is the Riverfront Residnce Hall (used to be a Hyatt) which is now dorms and asking around there what people would like to see downtown as far as retail and entertainment is concerened. Since in downtown flint there has been a revial going on for last 4 or 5 years with 4 new restrurants going in, as well as new offifces suhcs as Row Engineering (the building with angled glass) and several other. However theres nothing to do once your done eating.
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Getting feedback from people that live around there is great and will give you a leg up for sure.
This project is great because it is centralized within all those other spaces around it, plus you are creating a need for something that doesn't currently exist (entertainment/"something to do after eating").
Since it is centralized, I would first determine how your site relates to the other buildings around it and the way people are going to access it. I attached a pic of some datum lines I can currently see. The one coming from UM-F creates a nice diagonal through your site. Combine that with the other one coming from the North that bisects the site, and this can translate into some unique shaped buildings/spaces.
So again, before you get too far into what your actual building designs are going to look like... Look at the bigger picture and think about access, identity, and entry to your site. Then plan the spaces accordingly. This is especially important (and difficult) because it is so centralized. You really want it to be welcoming from almost any direction. What this tells me is that around the perimeter of my site I am going to want a more human scale mix of buildings (2-3 stories) with a mix of pedestrian plazas then perhaps gradually getting taller towards the middle. I think that's where you were giong with that anyway but just be sure to think about it within the entire context of the surrounding area- not just the site itself.
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Well actully in the 2nd week of class we did a site visit and also did a site inventory/anaylsis that night as well. The
datnums you mentoned are one of the first things that I noticed and from there I kinda got an idea on how I want to
layout my site. My plan is to use the four sidewalk entrances to provide access both to and through the site itself.
After talking wit a few freinds that live dowtown, everybody seemed to like the idea something like a Dave & Busters also other ideas that i had in mind were perhaps a bowling alley, or pool hall or even just regular arcade. My plan is that I'l have a
majoirty of the retail/entertainment areas on 1st and 2nd floor, (which after doing the mass floors i got an aprroxmeniate
floor area about 56,000 sqft each. I was going to have a resturant or bar (maybe something like a stakehouse?) on the
2nd floor to make use of the patio spaces. Which would be a great place to watch one of the areas biggests events -
Back to the Bricks
Below i attached a floor plan of what the first floor would possiably like, and a slow and updated 3D. I was going to try and
see about exporting my mass to sketchup and place it in google earth to see how it looks.
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thanks for your help really appreciate having another set of eyes on this.
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I think those entertainment features are a good idea... might want to include a movie theater too if there isn't one nearby. It's all speculative anyway.
Having the raised up restaurant is great... I always think it's nice to eat with a view and if people can observe that event from above- all the better. Well actully in the 2nd week of class we did a site visit and also did a site inventory/anaylsis that night as well.
Getting it to google earth would be great although I just saw there aren't many buildings modeled there yet so it's advantages are kind of minimized now. Might just make sense to do some simple mass shapes of the surrounding buildings in Revit and you'll get nearly the same context.
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Hey man, how's things looking on this project?
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