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I use Revit 2011 for architectural and structual plans combined in the same Revit file. No linked structurals because I do them all in house.

Is it possible to have architectural wall layers and structural wall layers, and only have the structural wall layers shown in structural views?

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The only way I know to do this is to have seperate wall types where the architectural does not include the structure.

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Thanks that was the conclusion I came to as well.

I guess I'll have to do seperate wall type, then join them so the openings are coordinated. Lots of work.

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This doesn't solve your immediate problem, but have you considered using linked files with the Copy/Monitor option.

I'm not sure how well Copy/Monitor is working these days, but it could save you a lot of work, and be really cool too (in terms of automation.)

Maybe it turns out to be more work in the end...who knows?  Just a thought.

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I haven't used copy/monitor. Could you please explain the basic stragegy of what you are thinking of here?

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This is a great thread. I have the same need. Wouldn't it be great to be able to turn off all the finishes in a particular view. I would really like that. So you could have Structural View Templates where the finishes were turned off. This would really reduce the amount of work necessary to create a set of drawings. I am using Revit much the same as "dkeller8". Doing my own Architecture, Structural and Mechanical. As Autodesk begins to alter the products to come in line with the market maybe they will make this kind of change I sure hope so.

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dkeller8

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I'm not sure why it isn't already a function. When you build compound walls/roofs/floors you can set the layers to structure, substrate, finish, etc. under the function.

All Autodesk would have to do is associate these layers with the view discipline setting of architectural, structural, etc.

As it is, what are the wall layer function designations used for?

Another clunky fix would be to be able to select wall layers individually and "hide in view" them.

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mbsteve

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No arguments here, would really make my life easier, and more competitive.

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emgeeo

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The basic strategy would involve using a single architectural model to generate the structural model.  The structural model would be linked into the architectural model giving you more control over architectural/structural visibilities.

The copy/monitor function, as far as i know, is used to copy elements out of one model and paste them into another.  Each element that is monitored will track changes as the files are updated.  So when the Architectural file is modified, the Strucutral model receives notification (and PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, the option to accept changes.)  This does not work well if you are adding to the model, since you would have to re-create these elements each time.  An ideal situation would be that the Architectural model is completely finished before copy/monitored to a structural model with only minor modifications to follow.

I suppose in theory, you could use Revit's macros to copy/monitor/update, or

create new file

copy/monitor all

but then you have a problem with any tags, dimensions, etc. referencing the linked project.

That is the basic strategy.

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emgeo,

Have you used the copy monitor method. I have a little, when used on walls, it puts the walls centerline to centerline which really doesn't work, because the center of the architectural wall is not the center of the structural wall do to the differing thicknesses of finish materials, in the end it requires that you adjust everything to fit properly, kind of a pain, it is better than nothing I suppose but I find it easier to just build my structural model separate. the problem is making yourself go back and fix stuff on the architectural model. Lots of extra work that really shouldn't be needed.

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Not sure if this is mentioned or not, I didn't read all the threads but what about using worksets

put your Arch walls one workset and your Stru walls stuff on different workset and control the visibility via your work sets.

This will create a central model using worksets but if that is not an issue,  

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^^^That's an interesting idea.

Yesterday I took one of my projects and divided each exterior wall into a two separate walls: a structural core and an architectural fascade. I then joined and locked the two together.

I'm going to try that on this project - I've found the problem with an approach like this is that something always sneaks up & becomes a pain in the butt when you don't expect it. Also my Revit files always start out being design jobs before they are permit or construction document jobs, so I probably won't have the patience to set them up that way from the beginning.

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There are other option too, if you are the only one working on this file, you could use phases, filters, workset or design options.

each you can control your visibilty, may not be the standard or desired way for some but if it gets you what you need.  They are only tools to accomplish a task so use them.  In a big firm we have to conform to a standard to keep things well "standard" but if you are a one man show and you are in control of the whole thing, I guess you can do what ever you like, right?

Before diving into worksets, checkout filters, I just created a stru filter and an arch filter, used Type name to filter by and called one wall (Stru_wall name) and the other (Arch_wall name) and I can control each by filters and this does not create a central file.

probably filters will be best for what you want.  but I am only guessing at what you want...  Hate to lead you wrong

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 On second thought, I don't believe that worksets will allow you to control visibility of layers in the same wall anyways will they?

The thread is about that particular problem: there are structural layers and architectural layers within the same wall. If there are separate walls, then you simply use the view type (structural, architectural, coordination, etc) to control visibility.

Yesterday I tried view filters. I created a parameter that I assigned to the materials themselves & tried to filter "structural materials" from "non-structural materials". But unfortunately it only hid entire wall, not layers of walls.

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"On second thought, I don't believe that worksets will allow you to control visibility of layers in the same wall anyways will they?"

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to cotrol layer visibility in the same wall (not sure if this is possible).  if it is I would love to know this trick...

(are you talking about (selecting the wall, edit type, structrure and the layers there?)), I am not sure if you can control the visibilty of the layer itself without removing the layer you don't want to see from the wall (which I am guessing this is not desired).  again if this is possible I am all ears.

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I thought you split the walls up so you had a indipendant stru wall and an indipendant Arch wall and wanted to control each visibilty independent of each other.

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