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I am new to REVIT and have a hotel project with different room types. I would like to create each room type as a group and only have to change it one time and not have to make changes to every room type when there is a change. I know how to do it as a block in AutoCAD but how do you it in REVIT. And how do you deal with then demising walls in REVIT? Would I just model the interior walls of the unit and place each demising wall on the level plan. I dont want to end up with walls on top of walls.
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I have done this A LOT while working on condos and apartment buildings. It's pretty easy and starightforward. You are on the right track. All interior unit walls will be incorporated into the group (named for each unit type) while common walls (between units, hallways, etc.) as well as exterior walls are place one each floor (not grouped). Groups are pretty good about wall cleanups (extending, trimming, etc) without compromising the group if multiple units have the same layout but differ in dimensions slightly. Just start modeling each unit type on any floor, group it and copy it around. Then move on to the next one.
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I would actually advise AGAINST using grouping, it will balloon your file size. You can create a family comprised of nested families and give them spacing parameters. For example you can create a family and nest the bed, nightstands, entertainment center and a couch or whatever. You can do this for bathrooms as well. It will help save you time and lighten the load on your model as well.
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Although alabaster is right about file size, I don't agree about the family idea. Groups are very useful, especially for initial creation, but you need to watch out what is in them. For instance, do you need everyroom populated with furnishings or just your detailed rooms? Door properties in groups are a pain to adjust afterwards. Just too much information. Maybe the door can be there for initial placement then the door is removed from the group after all groups are placed. Room information is also a problem if grouped. You can also consider populating by groups then ungrouping all groups on each level. For hotels, we have just a batroom core group.
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Yes groups! I have done a lot of these hotel projects, with rooms as groups. Set it up so your party walls are not a part of the group but have model lines in the group where the face of Gyp will be and the center line of your corridor is.
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You don't need a model line and I would recommend against it. Just adjust your group insertion point to an appropriate location.
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The modle lines really help to line up your rooms on the structural bays and corridor. I would not reccommend it without it. Been there and done that!
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If you read your HELP < Specifying the Position of a Group by its Origin >, you will see that you can define the orgin ofyour group. For rooms, we use the inside finish corner of the deizing wall and the corridor wall. NO REASON TO USE A MODEL LINE.
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What if I have wall hosted items, but I don't necessarily want the walls as part of the group? I have tried using a small 5/8" piece of wall just to host the items (example - lav and toilet).Then I "exclude" the wall after I place the group. Is there a better way?
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The wall does not need to be in the group. Revit will have a phantom wall in the group until placement when it will look for new hosts. Even when you export the group, Revit will include this phantom wall. But if Revit can not find the host where it should be, it will drop the item from the group in this instance.
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I would strongly recommend not to use ANY hosted families that have the party wall outside the group, if you have used the method that WWhub suggested that "But if Revit can not find the host where it should be, it will drop the item from the group in this instance." in this case, Revit will force you to create another group (or ask you to fix group) from this instance, then you will end up having more groups of the same layout (not really what you want) and it will become management nightmare (I have been there!) so my solution is to create all the needed families to be non-hosted, then you can group them without any of this issue. HTH
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This thread has been extremely useful as we are doing our first big hotel project in Revit.
I was hoping to open it back up as I have another querie.
Initially we had decided to draw our 'core walls' eg Hebel or Concrete in the floor plans, and the linings (studwork) in the groups (mainly due to the placement of wall based families, such as electrical components.) I liked the tip of making them not wall placed to make this unnecessary.
BUT... we still have one issue that the above solutions does not solve. If your entire parti wall is one wall, how do you then turn of everything other than the core elements (hebel/concrete/AFS etc) for setout and peno drawings?
Thanks for your help all.
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I have used groups for this and it has worked well, all of the interior walls are in the group as well as the room object. the tag for the room is outside the group. Walls that are in the same location when the floor is populated are removed from the group via the "exclude" feature of the group system.
The vrairing floor to floor is a chalenge I haven't solved yet. Im thinking of adding a group that has only the needed extension to the wall at the floors that are higher; that way I don't have too many room group types.
Oh dont mirror the groups, make an opposite room type. (take my word on this one)
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I've solved the varying floor to floor issue in the group.
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I've solved the varying floor to floor issue in the group.
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How did you solve the varying floor to floor issue?
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