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Ok, Our firm trid emplementing this software and ended up ditching it due to its complexity, even after the two classes we took. I want to try inputing a project I havev already done in cad and have already hit a hurrdle. My problem is I'm tring to array a "creat in place" componet. Its a purlin that needs to follow a gothic glulam arch. So I set my workplane up in the same plan as the face fo the glulam arch and draw my purlin. then I stretch it to the desired length. Then, while im still in that work plane I select the purlin and choose the ARRAY command and move the center where I want it. I put in the number of copies (10 in this case) and the degrees and hit RETURN. What I get is only one copied purlin copied at 10 degrees in the plane I want (in this case a verticle plan) and 10 copied in the horizontal plan (plan view). What Im I doning wrong?
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Humm, can you put images of this issues???? I can't see how are you doing this...
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Using the array command in an in-place family is not a good practice - and do not array in-plcae families - that's even worse. It would be better if the purlin is a family by itself and you arrayed it. You said you stretched the form. I do not understand. The extrusion depth should be set in the properties while creating the family. This sounds like you finished the in-place family, then stretched and arrayed it. If you did that, the work plane for the array is your view plane - not the work plane for the family. As an in-place family, after you created the first form but before you finished the family then you should array the first form.
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I try to make a family but nothing in this program seems to ge easier or make any sense. I have no one who at our office that understands the program to bounce questions off and things that one would think should be simple are seemingly overly complex. For instance, why not use a family the way you describe, where is that little nugget of info kept. I don't doubt you are correct, but the "help" function of the program is about useless except for the most basic of concepts. I'm highly frustrated at trying to learn this program and about ready to throw in the towel.
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as Typhoon said, show us what you are trying do.
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The program is really simple for the basic elements once you learn a few simple tasks. But, you should have some initial training. Our core group had three days of off-site training and that was enough to get us started. We were all able to come back and strt using REVIT on simple projects. Then as we progressed, we were able to train the rest of our staff. This initial training does not include family building. Parametric concepts and the family building process is not easy for even an intermediate user but it can be learned. Other than for simple families, we only have a few family builders. A very important part of REVIT is attitude. Die-hard CAD users are not good REVIT candidates. They usually can't let go of their autocad ways. What you will find out about REVIT users is that it is a real roller-coaster ride at first. Some days you will be really upset ... but given a little time and a few slaps to the forehead when you realize how easy "that was", you will not want to mess with CAD. I suggest you make some investment in a little training - it will be very profitable if you do.
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we did have two separate classes with multiple sessions, but this basic information was not enough to implement a project of the most basic concepts. Without families the project we tries just didn't move forward. So I had to start back over in CAD. We worked for two weeks in Revit and I redid all the same work in CAD in 4 hours. So now I'm trying to give it another go, but I don't see any classes in my near future. I'm at home trying to do the same thing I did at work, here is what I've done: 1. started a project 2. started a new family with "generic model" 3. started in plan view and made a "solid" that had parameters tied the provided axis lines in height, length and width. flexed the model and made sure it worked. Again, plan view had length and width, I made height tied to the plane while in elevation. Everyting worked ok. 4. loaded family into project. It came in as expected, with length and width in plan view. I'll use Y and X axis respectively from here on out. To get an image of this the Y length is 10 units the X width is 4 units and the Z unit is 2 units. So the small end of my object is 2x4. 5. now what I want to do is make an array that will copy this object in a circle on a Y axis with the object. To get a better visual say you looking at the small end (the 2x4 - its in elevation now) and its at the 3 oclock position on a the clock and I want to array it around the center of the clock. So I set the working plane on the 2x4 end so the working plane is flipped form the plan plane to Z plane or elevation plane. I select the object, and pick the array command and pick a point and begin rotating, but when I click to finish the object it makes the array in the plan view not the Z plane (or elevation) view. It gives me this: Element cannot be mirrored or rotated in a manner that changes its angle relative to the ground. Hope this clears it up, I dont have a licensed copy at home so I cant copy anything for you to look at.
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"I dont have a licensed copy at home" - Yeah, at home you use a "Trial Version", I don't care, like i said Put some images......
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ok, the first image shows the location of the center of the array - its not where I want it, so I move the rotation center point to where I do want it (see second image) and when I array the component doesn't array in the workplan, but in the level 2 work plane.
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I see the error message, Im not sure how to create a component that will allow me to load it in and array the way I want. btw, its hard to see, but in the first image im trying to array a small rectangular wood purlin around the perimeter of the glulam arch.
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What i do is create a "Generic Model Face Based" so in this way in elevation view i can put the Object attached to that face, then create the Radial array like you can see in the images, i don't know how it's the object you try to do, but, if you create a generic model you can only attached to the plan level, and you can array them unless in the plan view where you "insert" the family, that's why...
Edited on: Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:31:03 AM
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You don't say what family type you are using for this.... It appears to be structural. Did you try a generic - non-hosted template to create your purlin family?
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I used a "generic model"
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aaaaah, I see in your brick arch you are doing basically the same thing. So to do this I need a "face based" family, and I suppose I should create it so that the end of the purlin is the plane I want to array in - correct?
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Hi, see this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SISA7INA
Edited on: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:03:44 AM
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