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Does anyone know how to create a wall using 1 assembly (footing, foundation wall, and bearing wall) without having to draw 3 different walls at different elevations. Any help would be great.
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I guess you could probably do this using a compound wall...
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does that mean no one has tried this before? In ADT it sucks to set up but atleast you can do it. right now I am creating 3 different walls for a 1 floor building. 1. footing, 2. foundation wall and 3. bearing wall. This works fine, but if i add a wall bumpout or change the building footprint. I have to change 3 walls. thabks for the feedback though
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I'm sure people have done it before... You would just edit the structure of the wall as a compound wall with those elements. I've never done it myself so I can't say exactly how it's done but I'm sure it can be done.
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Initially draw your exterior walls full height and use either a generic wall or the more complex wall of the types that you will actually use. Get the project laid out and ready to consider a little more detail.
In section you can "split" walls at levels, anywhere really. So, split the exterior walls at the locations that different wall types will be used. Then change the walls to their new types. The walls should remain aligned and join so your section looks right.
The thing to consider with Revit is...in nearly every case Revit will expect you to model it like it will be built. Doing so means a schedule of walls will provide meaningful data to put together project estimates.
Compound walls are good for detail in/on walls that are technically the same "thickness". You can add sweeps that alter it's thickness but the core structural element should be the same type and thickness (my opinion).
So compound walls are not really suited to model a single complete wall for a CMU basement with 2x6 framing for two stories above. Better to model the basement with CMU and the floors with stud walls. Exterior refinement, things that would be added in the field, could/should be sweeps or compound walls with sweeps.
Chris Zoog put together a little bldg revit file and a tutorial for the full height wall and splitting method I describe. I learned it from him!! Do a search at www.zoogdesign.com/forums
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Thank you for the feedback Steve_Stafford The only problem with doing that is if you actually were going to build a wall with A cultured 3 1/2" stone base up to 3'6" then add a extruded stone cap, That is the easy part. but when you continue above the stone cap with Siding (which is only about 1" thick. it keeps the 3 1/2" constraints. What I am trying to do is have the wall come back in as it would do if you were actually going to build it. I might be making this harder than it really is.
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A sweep added to the wall style that represents the additional thickness of stone and cap will give you the base you are after. You need to create a profile that is the profile of your stone and cap.
A wall style can't be several thicknessessessesss...without using sweeps. But then sweeps can be a factor in performance so a great many walls of this sort might negatively affect the speed your file exhibits.
If I'm dealing with simple structural framing, ie. wood/mtl stud with two different veneers I'll use a wall sweep (attached to the wall) or the integral sweep (described above). When the wall system changes from one to another like CMU w/ veneer to stud w/veneer then I make discreet walls and use reference levels to constrain them.
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Steve's last post is how we have tackled this issue. we use the sweep to run under the windows for our watertables.
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Thanks guys that will work for my issue, but just a thought what would happen if your window went below you stone (which is a sweep). As I was told a door would work but a window would show up behind the sweep. Just wondering. Thanks again for helping. By the Way Bim man I am also from Columbus, Ohio. I work for WDpartners we are going to come over to your firm some day and check out the way you do things. Our CEO is good friends with the owner as I was told.
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i interviewed there about 2 1/2 years ago before coming here to Joshua. i thought we were alone in columbus with revit. great to hear we are not. look forward to seeing you. by the way how long have you had revit?
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All Newbies here haha But the CEO is all fired up about it, so we are learning on the fly. How about you I know Joshua is using it to the max. Are you pretty good with it? So far the implications are astounding, and we are enjoying the opertunity to learn something different. My hardest part is forgeting what I know about Autocad (11 Years worth). Drop me a line sometime and we can chat further. My names Jarod
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BTW, Eric here at WD also. I'm working with Jarod and the rest of Team RPM on getting Revit off the ground I would enjoy talking with you too. The post on Design Opts is mine, I have lots of questions on that, Not to mention it would be great talking to someone who has used Revit for longer than 2 weeks. hehe. Thanks
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"All Newbies here haha But the CEO is all fired up about it, so we are learning on the fly. How about you I know Joshua is using it to the max. Are you pretty good with it? So far the implications are astounding, and we are enjoying the opertunity to learn something different. My hardest part is forgeting what I know about Autocad (11 Years worth). Drop me a line sometime and we can chat further. My names Jarod"
we are using revit to do several things that we did not even think about until we began using it. the biggest side track item (thats what i call them) is our brouchures for our homes. as our houses change do to updates and included features our brochures since they are linked into our projects they are updated at the same time rather than having to do seperatly and on aniother platform. i also feel your pain in switching from 2d cad, atoucad r9 thru 2000, then the last 2 1/2 years on microstaion 95 thru v8. once you reset your mind it all starts to flow. my first 2 monthes i was thinkind 2d with a 3d program, you just have to throw it all out and start a new way of thinking. have you had any training from autodesk.
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"BTW, Eric here at WD also. I'm working with Jarod and the rest of Team RPM on getting Revit off the ground I would enjoy talking with you too. The post on Design Opts is mine, I have lots of questions on that, Not to mention it would be great talking to someone who has used Revit for longer than 2 weeks. hehe. Thanks"
since design options is new i have done very little. but what i have done i have found out that it is the way to go to show my options for my base plans. i started last week with a design option to show my foundation options and it works great. once all 4 options were done, i made 4 duplicate copies of my foundation drawing then went to vv and under the design options tab was able to set each drawing to the desired choice. once that was done i now had 4 sheets with 4 different foundations, and the good thing is it will onkly schedule the primary options. so ican have multiple 1st, 2nd and fnd sheets and the scheduling will only be for the options i have chosen active or i mean primary.
how many people are on team rpm?
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since design options is new i have done very little. but what i have done i have found out that it is the way to go to show my options for my base plans. i started last week with a design option to show my foundation options and it works great. once all 4 options were done, i made 4 duplicate copies of my foundation drawing then went to vv and under the design options tab was able to set each drawing to the desired choice. once that was done i now had 4 sheets with 4 different foundations, and the good thing is it will onkly schedule the primary options. so ican have multiple 1st, 2nd and fnd sheets and the scheduling will only be for the options i have chosen active or i mean primary.
how many people are on team rpm?Thats what I have been finding out also. I'm primarily interested in creating CD's that have partial plan options. So far I found it can be done but I think it would be alot nicer if once the model option where completed then you added notes/dims and then created views that where DO associated. As it stands I need to have separate sets for each posssible option. Seeing as most of our clients have 70+ sheets and only about 20 could be reused option to option, I'm worried our rvt's would be slightly out of control with all the views and sheets. Filtering helps somewhat but it still seems to get overly complex. Anyway, the basics are there and its only going to get better further down the road.
btw. Team RPM currently has 5 members representing Arch, MEP, and IT.
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