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blake

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 Revit 2009 newest build.

I have not seen a post on this yet but I would image this has to be a problem for other.

Here is the situation, when our engineers (structural or mechanical) copy our walls into there model all the openings go to the extent of the models doors and windows.  This is a problem because it will make the openings larger than it actually is.  Example we have overhead doors that has the hood that houses the door when it is rolled up.  Well that hood is larger than the opening and when those walls our copied the opening goes to the extent of the hood.  This becomes more of a problem if you have windows with sills and headers built in.  (Though I have stopped doing that.)

So the question is, is anyone else having this issure and what are they doing to solve?  I know the engeers can just copy the walls and place their own openings but that takes away the coordination with our openings. This seems really ridiculous to me that it does this.  I am just having this proble because I am doing my first project that is not steel or concrete from and now our structural guys need to copy/montior our cmu wall.  I know other people in my firm have had this problem for awhile and it is yet to be solves.

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blake

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Found that this is an issue that has not beeen fixed. Really stupid.

So the work around I came up with is add a visibility parameter to all the elements that cut holes in the structural walls to turn off elements that are greater than the opening in the wall.  It needs to be a type parameter because instance parameters will still cut the wall.  It also has to include symbolic lines.  Then I will detach a model for our structural engineers that will have all the parameters turned off and it will cut the opening correctly.

Hopefully they fix this problem soon.

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Greetings.

I am working in Revit 2015, still seeing this problem.  

Our doors have symbolic lines added to denote clearances at the doors - 300-push side, 600-pull side, 100-at the jamb.  We find this to be a most valuable addition to our doors.  Unfortunately when our structural engineers copy/monitors our walls, the openings reflect the door + clearances.  ... see the attached image where I've highlighted the opening.

Has anyone got a solution?  other than removing these valuable design aids or forcing the Structural engineer to manually adjust all the copy/monitored openings??

Ian 

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We have the ADA clearances in a seperate family as a detail family and we don't include it in the door family. 

I would make a bet that if your linework was an embedded detail family, that it would not affect the opening.

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iamian33

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WW,

Thanks for your response, but you'd lose the bet.  My clearance lines are symbolic lines within a nested family within the door families.  I am open to any suggestions ...

I have submitted this issue to Autodesk, perhaps they will offer insight as to why the Opening Cut does not govern the copy/monitored openings.  

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You say symbollic linework in nested family.   That is NOT what I suggested.   I said NESTED DETAIL FAMILY!  There is a big difference.  I don't have time to test now.

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sadly, no difference.

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I havent tested this but have you tried changing all the symbolic lines to 'not a reference'. when you forst draw them they default to 'weak reference'

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