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Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 12:43:26 PM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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If you use single letters I believe you have to hit RETURN and that will make two keystrokes!

 

HERE IS MY IDEA!

I have used Default wall and I have used different colors for it - one color for each floorplan. That´s it!

You have to first take in the images for the different plans and then use walls with just a little height.The walls for all the plans - you then in another file takes in with File > import/link > RVT - origin to origin.

The images will not being imported.And you can see the plans both in 2D and 3D in the new file.

And something you have linked is not so irritating as groups. And if you happen to select the plan you can easyclick outside to unselect - that is not possible using images of plans because you have to zoom out first soyou can click outside the image to unselect it.

Having a large project I believe this is a way to understand better... how everything has to be constructed. I have not tested yet. This is just an idea.

 

Have a look at the image and I believe you can understand. Door, Roof, Brickwalls are in a file I have namned house.rvt. The plans with its small height walls in different colors are in a linked file I have namned houseplans.rvt.

Hope you have got my method. You can have a try! And say what you think.



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Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 1:18:21 PM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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If you use single letters I believe you have to hit RETURN and that will make two keystrokes!

 

Sorry, that'd be autoCAD. Don't have to hit enter in Revit Smile 


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Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 2:14:28 PM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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I will have a try with just one letterstroke!

You did not say anything about my idea with a linked plan file for design also in 3D not being annoyed of images with plans - you only can pin - not make unselectable. Hope you will have a try with my idea!

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Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 3:59:56 AM | AO

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Quoting AO from 2007-07-11 03:27:51

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Thanks for your answers!

 

Sorry if I have put several questions in the same thread. But I become so glad  - framerman - answering fast on my first  question  - so  why not  go  in  trying to figure a little more out.

I have come up with a new solution - I will show you someday... now in a little hurry.

It is not only the EDIT button for floors. Having selected a group you also have to search for it. Searching for a button slows you down. Why not a shortcut? It cannot be so hard to program!!! 

IF YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS IT DOESN'T SLOW YOU DOWN. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A SHORTCUT FOR FINISH SKETCH.

And the programmers and users better have a look at Sketchup - it has got some good solutions! Everything can be made transparent temporarily. And they show hidden things with some ghostnet and you can turn off and on the ghostimage of the hidden things. And you can select a hidden ghostgroup to click it and unhide it. This is fast and easy. Why not implement it in Revit 2009? or perhaps we have to wait for Revit 2010?

MUCH OF THIS IS POSSIBLE IN REVIT 2008...

And why not have an infopanel always in the GUI showing some important things about eg walls - on which level they start and end - and the walltype. Now you have to bring up the Properties menu everytime!!! It is not a fast way...

 A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE FLOATING WINDOWS THAT GET IN THE WAY AND BLOCK YOUR VIEW OF THE MODEL.

And there are commands you cannot find rightclicking something. You cannot eg hide or isolate something with a rightclick... Why not? It is just about easy programming! I believe the programmers are not working with the program or not listening to the users.

ITS ALREADY POSSIBLE.

STILL I FIND REVIT very good!!! Why not make it a little better?

Smile 

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The reason I ask to make a new post for new questions is to make things easier for other users of Revit City.  Say someone reads this thread and one of the posts helps them with one of their issues.  The thread title is completely unrelated to the issue and thus makes it difficult for people to find again...

 

SketchUP is good at what it does but it really isn't practical as a documentation tool.  Every product is designed with a specific purpose.  There are some modelling aspects of SketchUP that would be good to implement into the massing component of revit, but remember revit has a lot of overhead in being very accurate and parametric.

 

You can right click and hide things in 2008...

 

Best not to make assumptions about the Programmer's of Revit (or the "factory" as they are commonly called"Winking, they work extremely hard to implement new features into revit and their is only so much they can do in a single release cycle.  I would be surprised if the interface is not modified/improved in the next release...

That said, I'm extremely happy with the way revit works.  Its the most intuitive CAD program i've ever used.  It generally works the way architect's think its just not as customisable as other apps which I tend to think is a good thing.  It means you can easily go and work on someone elses system and not have to relearn their interface just to make use of it.

I'd suggest before you make judgement on the interface you continue using it and you'll find once you understand the shortcuts that do exist in full that you get into a powerful routine with the way you work.  I know I use revit at 10 times the speed of what I did in my first year of using the product.  A good way to view this is to play back a journal file of some work you've done.  It plays everything you did at full speed without the gaps so you can see how much time you waste doing silly things like zooming in and out admiring your model...  You'd be amazed how much new users do that... Smile (always save a copy of every file you've worked on before playing a journal file).

 

Autodesk read a lot of the posts on this forum and on AUGI to see the issues people are having with the product.  I'm not sure who gets the final say on what tools get implemented in a release though and its definitely not the programmers.

 

All I can say if you think somethings can be improved, post a wishlist item.  Be very articulate with your discription of what you want changed/improved and why, explaining how it would improve your workflow.

 

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Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 2:06:10 PM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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Thanks for the answer Mr Spot!

You did not say anything about my idea of working in 3D with a linked file showing the plan.

Smile 

And you did not say anything about a Properties menu always being on the screen with just the most important informations - wall type, start level and end level - now you only get the wall type - better have a menu to see all the time instead of having to bring it up.

Why cannot Autodesk have an open program so programmers can contribute to the program. Sketchup lets people contribute with their code! I believe that is a good solution - the program will develop so much faster and it will be developed from the users view - not having to wait on some decisions from someone - listening to wishlists or not. Perhaps Autodesk can change their policy?

Now you cannot export to 3D Studio from Revit - 3D Studio being a program from Autodesk... What to say? What words to use?

Sad 

Perhaps you can solve a problem. In Sketchup - I use the scroll wheel to zoom and spin - holding down the SHIFT-key I can use the wheel to pan. That I found good. You can mostly zoom into something  instead of panning. But in Revit I have to hold down SHIFT to spin... Can I program the mouse in Revit - to change how it functions?

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Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 3:55:28 PM | AO

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Quoting AO from 2007-07-12 14:06:10

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Thanks for the answer Mr Spot!

You did not say anything about my idea of working in 3D with a linked file showing the plan.

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I don't see the point?  You've already done all the work creating these linked views?  How does this improve your workflow.  You've added an extra step by making yourself redo the work twice.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

 

Quoting AO from 2007-07-12 14:06:10

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you did not say anything about a Properties menu always being on the screen with just the most important informations - wall type, start level and end level - now you only get the wall type - better have a menu to see all the time instead of having to bring it up.

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I did actually.  I said I wouldn't like it personally.  I hate floating menus or fixed menus they generally get  in the way.  Its much easier to just hit VP or PR to see properties when you want.

 

Quoting AO from 2007-07-12 14:06:10

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Why cannot Autodesk have an open program so programmers can contribute to the program. Sketchup lets people contribute with their code! I believe that is a good solution - the program will develop so much faster and it will be developed from the users view - not having to wait on some decisions from someone - listening to wishlists or not. Perhaps Autodesk can change their policy?

Now you cannot export to 3D Studio from Revit - 3D Studio being a program from Autodesk... What to say? What words to use?

Sad 

Perhaps you can solve a problem. In Sketchup - I use the scroll wheel to zoom and spin - holding down the SHIFT-key I can use the wheel to pan. That I found good. You can mostly zoom into something  instead of panning. But in Revit I have to hold down SHIFT to spin... Can I program the mouse in Revit - to change how it functions?

Confused 

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Revit does have open programming it has an API.  Its just new but people are developing new features for it external to autodesk.

 

You can import to VIZ or MAX and link the file.  It just has to be done through the DWG format but its still "live".

 

You can change it in your mouse properties in windows but you are better off learning to use it the way revit works.  Middle mouse to pan and Shift+middle mouse to spin.


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Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 3:18:59 AM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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To make a plan to link to and you can work in 3D with plans in Revit makes it easier to see what you are working with - having a large project - you do not need to go between the levels - you have always a skeleton with walls with tiny wall heigts to refer to in the 3D view. And a linked file with the plans are not so irritating as groups. It is not unselectable but is hard to select and easy to unselect!!!

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It would be possible for Revit programmers to let us see transparent images of plans in the 3D view - being unselectable. But that is not possible for the 2008 version as far as I have understood. Someday?

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I believe my idea is great - you can get an overview in 3D space - now Revit has got a transparent command - but not the way to show hidden things as ghost images as in Sketchup - also being able to hide the ghostobjects(the hidden things). I believe my idea is good - Sketchup ghost objects gives a lot of clutter. And you do not have to wait on some programmers to implent my idea - you can do it yourself!!! And you can filter the 3D view taking away eg all the walls and still you can see the plans and you can orient yourself in the building still. Have a try yourself - perhaps you will like it!

Smile 

Why bring up a menu? for eg the walls start and endlevel - better have it always to see - now you can only see the wall - type! Better a little more information - perhaps a menu you can accustome yourself. In Sketchup the menus are easy to hide and show.

Smile

And thanks for your information about the mouse... why not let us have a menu to change shortcuts and how the mouse functions. In Sketchup you have a menu for the shortcuts in Revit you have to bring up a text-file!!!

Well - I believe most ones thinks it easier to find the shortcuts changing inside the program not in a text-file somewhere...

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I believe you Mr Spot have worked a lot with Revit - what do the programmers tell you when you have some wishes? Wait for next version? The shortcuts on a menu inside the program instead of in a text-file that will wait for the 2012 release?

Smile

Really - somethings are hard to understand with Revit development.

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Revit being a good program in many ways I found this a bit hard to understand...

 

 



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Thu, Aug 9, 2007 at 1:00:39 PM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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A...O...slow it down there. I must say, this is probably the most annoyingm thread i've read so far. Looks like you are trying to use Revit like you did in ADT or Triforma. Take your mind off of anything else you knew and Revit will soon become your new best friend. 

To comment on your question reagarding shortcuts, if you've ever used Micrstation's Accudraw shortcuts, then you will understand how to use the one in Revit. Take a look at my keyboardshortcut.txt file. The "Edit menu" section looks like this: You can pretty much create a shortcut for every action in Revit. By the way, if you have something selected, why not just click the esc key to get out of the selection mode? 

; Edit menu;; "" menu:"Edit-Undo"; "" menu:"Edit-Redo"; "" menu:"Edit-Cut""DE" menu:"Edit-Delete"; "" menu:"Edit-Copy to Clipboard"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste from Clipboard"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste Aligned-Current View"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste Aligned-Same Place"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste Aligned-Pick Level Graphics"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste Aligned-Select Levels by Name"; "" menu:"Edit-Paste Aligned-Select Views by Name""MD" menu:"Edit-Modify"; "" menu:"Edit-Select Previous""SA" menu:"Edit-Select All Instances""MV" menu:"Edit-Move""CO" menu:"Edit-Copy"; "CC" menu:"Edit-Copy""RO" menu:"Edit-Rotate""AR" menu:"Edit-Array""MM" menu:"Edit-Mirror""RE" menu:"Edit-Resize""GP" menu:"Edit-Group-Create Group""EG" menu:"Edit-Group-Edit Group""UG" menu:"Edit-Group-Ungroup""LG" menu:"Edit-Group-Link Group""EX" menu:"Edit-Group-Exclude Member""MP" menu:"Edit-Group-Move Member to Project""RB" menu:"Edit-Group-Restore Excluded Member""RA" menu:"Edit-Group-Restore All""AP" menu:"Edit-Group-Add to Group""RG" menu:"Edit-Group-Remove from Group""AD" menu:"Edit-Group-Attach Detail""PG" menu:"Edit-Group-Group Properties""FG" menu:"Edit-Group-Finish Group""CG" menu:"Edit-Group-Cancel Group""PP" menu:"Edit-Pin Position""UP" menu:"Edit-Unpin Position""CS" menu:"Edit-Create Similar""PR" menu:"Edit-Properties"; "" menu:"Edit-Make Worksets Editable"; "" menu:"Edit-Make Elements Editable"


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Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 10:26:05 AM | Making a shortcut for Edit?

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Annoying... is the word for shortcuts inRevit!

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If you have used Sketchup - you know - you can change the shortcuts on the menu. In Revit you have to open a file to change shortcuts - perhaps the programmers still are in DOS? I really cannot understand that the programmers of Revit cannot let the users use the menu like in Sketchup. And let the users use shortcuts for all the possibilities in Revit - not only for the ones you can find on the menu.... there are so many other possibilities... e.g. to hide something in Revit - you cannot make a shortcut because to hide something is not a menu item...

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In other programs like Adobe´s Flash there is an Extension Manager so the users can make new things... make things that are user friendly... the programmers cannot think of everything... but as a programmer you can let the users decide... having an Extension Manager like Adobe has....

Smile

Revit programmers have to learn!!! Why cannot the Revit programmers learn from other applications? Are they still in DOS-mode?

Smile

Why cannot the Revit programmers have a look on Revit and learn something? Autodesk has got the money to let them have a look and use their experience to implement what they have learnt in Revit! The users of Revit do not tell them what to do! Revit is better than Sketchup in many ways - but Sketchup has things that can easily be implemented in Revit - so why not make it? 

Smile

Architecture is about seriousness - but also about happiness - you have to have a program that is both serious and makes you happy... Smile

 Let us get shortcuts... not programmed in DOS-mode...



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