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Hello
I’ve been learning to make custom families, so I’m new at this.
I created some custom window and door families and they work well, for the most part. I'm having a problem with the views. The new families will cut in plan when inserted in my building but do not display properly. They look fine in the family editor though.
At first I thought it was my plan view in the main file but it doesn’t have any sub-categories turned off. The doors I made after have the same issue. The doors in a plain view look like a ceiling plan view, ie just a rectangle, no detail. The windows look like they are cutting through a horizontal mullion, kinda. The stupid thing is (see in the images I've attached) the small window is the original. Then I copied it and added intermediate mullions for the other types. The original window displays properly in plan and all of them work beautifully in section.
Is this a view setting in my project file? Or is there some view settings that is carrying over from the family editor? I've also tried changing the cut plane of the plan in the project file. It will NOT affect the windows in question, or doors. This leads me to think I’m missing something in the family editor.
Also the trim won't shop up properly either.
Any thoughts on what I should try?
Can anyone else get this to work in their models?
Thanks
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I am quite sure the problem lies with how you created the family. Download the Families Guide from the AutoDESK site - it has a chapter on how to create a window family.
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It seems when I tried to upload my families the first time it didn't work
Here are three.
Unfortunately I find the Autodesk help files confusing, they neve help me.
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Sorry but I will not look at your family when you won't even look at the Families Guide to learn how to build your family. Your excuse that the AutoDESK Help files have never helped you is a poor excuse. AutoCAD's Help has never been as good as the Revit Help and wasting that tool is ridiculous.
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WWHub, would you mind posting a link then? I can't find a specific chapter on windows.
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http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/rac_families_guide_documents_i.zip
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Thanks, sorry didn't mean to ask twice, my bad, not use to these forums.
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If I understand that help document
(made for Revit 2010, I think panels and tools are renamed, or it's my Revit LT, don't know)
then you don't actually cut 3d geometry for plan view for windows or doors.
You turn off all the 3D geometry (with visibility settings) and only use symbolic lines? Is this true? Is this best practice?
What about in section?
If so then the 3D geometry is only used in 3D views and elevations?
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I'm glad you worked throgh at least part of the Families Guide - there is a lot of useful information there. Even though that is a 2010 document, everything in it still holds true.
Your initial questions never said you were using LT. I am not familiar with that product but I know it has limitations.
You asked "...You turn off all the 3D geometry (with visibility settings) and only use symbolic lines? Is this true? Is this best practice?
What about in section?..." If you open any library window and poke around in it, you will find that this is exactly how they are done and it is best practice.
Look also at the library doors and you will find them constructed in the same way.
Good luck - and keep learning.
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Here is the answer to this problem
http://www.hokbimsolutions.com/2012/03/why-windows-in-revit-dont-cut-it.html
It sucks, its actually Autodesk's fault, no family except structural columns has the ability to create a "true cut" as dictated by the view properties of the view in the revit file.
Every family therefore requires symbolic lines.
Why
Performance issues.
See the AUGI Tread, similar discussion.
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?58323-quot-Magic-Height-quot-for-cutting-in-plan-What-is-it
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VonBraun,
You are incorrect. There are a lot of families that cut correctly but it depends on how the elements are built. Here is one that is cuttable in a project - elevation/plan/3D.... and the family so that you can see for yourself.
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Would there be a list of the families that do or don't cut properly? This information should be available
I imagine If I'm wrong then there are alot of other people wrong (judging by the treads) or the information is out of date.
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Helloooooo.... HELP <<< SEARCH CUTABLE
http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Revit/enu/2014/Help/0001-Revit_Us1/3274-Customiz3274/3480-Creating3480/3488-Choosing3488/3489-Cuttable3489
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"In the Family Element Visibility Settings dialog, there is an option called When cut in Plan/RCP. This option determines if family geometry is shown when the cut plane intersects that family."
Above is taken from the help file.
This is well and good and yes my door and window families cut. Except I can not determine where they cut when loaded into a project. Hence I get display issues and require symbolic lines. The other threads suggest this is a weekness in the family template that needs to be addressed. Hence necessity of symbolic lines.
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Where they cut is hard to learn but my experience has found that it is based on the cut plane location in plan of the family.
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