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I've inserted an exterior door in a brick and shake stacked wall(see attached). The outside casing is flushed out with the masonry, but the door is flush with the shake siding. How can I bring the casing back to sit on top of the shake siding? Is there a way to turn the masonry in at doors and windows?
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Think about this! You have a vertically flat object you have placed against a vertically stepped surface. How's that working for you? It doesn't!
You need to flush your exterior surfaces or not use that kind of trim.
"....Is there a way to turn the masonry in at doors and windows?" << Look at your wall definition and read your HELP on wall properties.
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I appreciate your response. However, I'd like to get a second opinion.
I'm happy to see that you are able to identify the obvious...if it was working for me, I wouldn't be asking the question. Your advice hasn't answered my question, instead appears to focus on destructive criticism....in my opinion, not very supportive from a site moderator. Perhaps there is another Revit website I should consider. But I digress.
I've checked the HELP on wall properties and [it looks like] I need to set the Layer Wrapping. Trying to follow the Help on wall properties, I don't see the 'Elements' panel to select, Exterior, Interior or Both.
You suggest flushing exterior surface, which is not an option due to the design aesthetic. I am planning on modifying the wall to place a limestone sill on top of the masonry.
The trim is part of the door assembly, in Revit and in reality. Trim is nailed to the sheathing and not glued to the face of masonry, though I'm sure someone has tried it with Liquid Nails.
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"Is there a way to turn the masonry in at doors and windows?"
You need to go into your WALL properties, not the stacked wall properties but the wall that makes up the portion of the stacked wall and change the wrapping at inserts from none to both. As far as your door trim is concerned WWHub is correct, how would you actually build that? You need to either fix your wall or fix your door family.
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Memmelle1,
I think you are really being foolish. Do you think Revit is like the "transformers"? That it can simply "morph" into what you want? Revit follows the physical rules of this earth. Anybody can look at your image and see that a flat object (your trim) can not physically lie on your stepped back wall face. If you had come in here with a better question, perhaps showing what you wanted in a sketch, I know I would have answered that question. But you didn't so I gave you the correct, obvious answer.
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"How can I bring the casing back to sit on top of the shake siding? Is there a way to turn the masonry in at doors and windows?
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Revit provides a tool to select which of the walls in a stacked wall is the primary host for a door or window. It would make the trim be at the wall with the shake siding if you select that wall as the primary host for the door. This will not take care of cutting the CMU units to make room for the trim, though, but that can be fixed with the wall opening tool.
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Alfmedina,
Thank you for correctly addressing my dilema. Nice illustration too! That is exactly what I've been trying to get accomplished. I'll give that a shot. I've been trying to learn Revit by myself and YouTube videos doesn't always cover every issue. 
I'm not sure what you mean about the 'cutting of the CMU using the wall opening tool', but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. From your illustration the brick needs to move out from the door on both sides another 4" (if trying to maintain masonry opening) so that the casing carries down to the limestone sill(which is a question for tomorrow).
After 20 years of being a registered architect, I've learned long ago that the contractors know how to construct a building. We give them an instruction manual, not a pretty picture. The pretty pictures are eye candy for the clients. The client comes to an architect wanting a building, not eye candy-even though it sells well. It's the contractor that gives the client what they really want. The bottom line is 'Intent'. All the contractor needs is your intent. A lot of buildings get built on a Permit set. Cheers, and thanks again.
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Teafoe,
I think I'm missing something. What (where) do you mean 'WALL' properties? Where do I find the settings for WALL properties so that I may change them? What tab and panel will I find them?
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Alfmedina,
I gave it a shot and at first(working in plan) I wasn't able to select the upper portion of the stacked wall. In elevation or 3-D, I was able to select the shake siding and it worked...now on to the wall opening to expose the rest of the casing. 
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Oh, in plan view it might be difficult to select the upper wall, because of the cut plane. In a 3d view it is easy.
About learning from Youtube, of course that is not going to cover every issue. Another option is to get formal training, which willshow you all that in a logical sequence. I provide that kind of training, online. In case you are interested, please contact me by email.
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Alfmedina,
Wall opening tool worked easily enough. How exactly did you get your brick to return like you have shown in your illustration? Can you tell me where this setting can be found?
I took a one week crash course on Revit Fundamentals, so I have the basics down. Creating and editting families, creating wall types...I have to learn those a bit more. BTW, I need to put a limestone sill on top of my brick and wrap it around the building. Should I just create a sweep around the building or do I create a new wall family?
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Okay, I just looked at my plan and, after using the wall opening tool, the door is no longer visually attached to the walls. I deleted teh wall opening and got it back to the correct illustration. I tried the Cut Geometry function and that didn't work. I tried an extruded void and that didn't work either. Am I missing something with the Wall Opening function because it cut through the wall all the way(like a 'wall' opening)? Is there way to control the depth of the wall opening? Any advice?
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Hi Memmelle1,
The problem is your door family.
Please see attached images, I think that was closer to what your intent.
You may download the door family below and try to see if you can modify it to fit your situation.
http://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=11969
Sometimes we, architects working on public funded/open bidded projects, have no such kind of luxury to use the word "INTENT".
Contractors will build "EXACT" what you had on the drawings.
Hoping that that download can help you.
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"I think I'm missing something. What (where) do you mean 'WALL' properties? Where do I find the settings for WALL properties so that I may change them? What tab and panel will I find them?"
Click the wall command and find one of the walls that makes up your stacked wall, for example you have CMU on the bottom and brick on the top, find the brick wall, click on it and on the Properties Pallet click Edit Type, then edit structure, then change your default wrapping.
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Wow - all of this to answer a question that should have been... "I have a stcked wall with different thicknesses and exterior trim. How do I widen the door cut in the thicker wall area so all of my trim falls in the same plane as the thinnest wall?
If you can't sketch it, then you have to paint the picture with words. This is called communication.
Good catch alf.
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