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I have been through about every vertical plywood hatch pattern thread here, but my problem still exists. I need a ply wd. hatch pat. that will stay oriented with my detail component and will show more than just one layer of plywood horizontal lines. When I change my existing hatch pat. into a model pat it stays aligned with my detail component as needed, but I don't see more than one layer in the ply wd. (see attached image). I want to be able to see at least three layers in the ply wd. @ 3/4" = 1'-0" scale. I tired importing the .pat file to be smaller, but model patterns will not let me import scale less than 11. Its always says "too dense." Any help on this matter would be much appreciated.
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I know I can't help because at 3/4" scale, you can't rally show a plywood hatch in 3/4" plywood or anything thinner.... You can't even really get gyp bd patterns in at 3/4" scale..... Just because you used to draw these in CAD details doesn't mean you should.
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Our firm prides itself on providing high quality drawings not only in the accuracy and information provided, but in the graphic quality of the poche's and line weights. It is some what of a lost art now because now we use the computer and not our hands where one is able to artfully imprint lines on paper. If you look at hand drawings from past architects they are much easier to understand because of this attention to detail. I am young and I only want to do this with my drawings on a computer for the modern age we live in. Is there really no solution WWHub?
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In the company I work for when the architect asks "Why does that item look like that instead of the way we usually draw it?" the WRONG answer is "Because thats the way the computer did it.". The computer does not tell the humans how to draft, we tell the computer how to. I've looked at the plywood component that comes with Revit and there is something amiss. The fill pattern used to hatch the detail component (Plywood - Align) is supposed to stay aligned with the element. There is a setting for this in the Pattern Properties. The choices are "Orient to view", "Keep readable" and "align with element". It looks like something isn't working quite right or hasn't been setup properly. I've noticed this before but have never looked into much. There is probably a way to fix this but I'm not sure right now. Anyone else have any ideas.
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Now if I hear you right - you want a plywood poche in a 3/4" scale view. Correct? You talk about hand drafting and pride of graphic quality. Obviously you have NEVER hand drafted. I started working as a draftsman in the mid- '60's. Hand drafting with pencil on vellum, ink on vellum, ink on cloth and pencil and ink on mylar. If you have done that, you would know that with even using the finist ink pen, you never poched in a material less than 1" thick at 3/4" scale. NEVER! You can't do it. Only after we started using CAD did people even think about doing this and the problem is that it really doesn't work even with CAD drawings. Yes, with CAD, we can do finner linework - but this is crazy. Detail in views is progressive with view scale. That is why in Revit we have fine, medium and coarse settings. Although I do allow for some hatching in 3/4" wall sections and I use very few, if any, detail elements. Mostly I use model hatch settings and because some smaller elements might get muddy with a medium setting for 3/4" scale, I sometimes have to turn off, by element, the hatch pattern for those objects. Plywood is one that I either turn off or will over-ride to a light grey fill. Think about Revit's INCREMENT TOO SMALL TO SHOW problems. Pull out n architectural scale if you have one and look at how big 3/4" is at 3/4" scale. Then lets talk about this.
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I agree paulh; "we tell the computer how to draw not the other way around". I have been using revit for 4 years and have gotten pretty good at telling my computer how to draw, but this plywood .pat has been a problem from the start. The problem would be solved if revit would just allow us to have a model pattern that can be as dense as we want it. Let the decision (if the .pat is to dense) be up to the user and not the program. I have been drawing the plywood pats with detail lines for the time being. It is just a cumbersome method. Hopefully we can improve the fill pattern parameters in future releases of revit so that we may be able to tweak our graphics even more than we already can!
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WWHub, I have hand drawing sitting right in front of me that was drawn at 3/4" = 1'-0" with poche's for the ply wood like I am asking for. Which is why I came to revit city to ask the question. As you so well pointed out it is extremely hard to do this and takes a lot of time, but this architect did it on every drawing.
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Nonetheless I understand where you are coming from WWHub. I just wish we could have denser model .pats in revit ya know?
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What about the align plywood (drafting) fill pattern? Why doesn't it align with element like it should when the settings for "align with element" are selected?
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Drafting patterns do not align with elements. Model patterns do and can also be rotated and dragged to suit their location. Try this model pattern which is designed to be imported to Revit at scale 1 to 1 : ;%VERSION=3.0 ;%UNITS=INCH *PLYWOOD-REVITM;%TYPE=MODEL ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ; Pattern written by HatchKit Hatch Pattern Editor ; HatchKit Hatch Pattern Editor(c) Cadro Pty Ltd 1990-2011. ; www.hatchkit.com.au ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 180,400,400,400,0.75,99.999,0.001 180,400.25,400.25,400.25,0.75,99.999,0.001 180,400.5,400.5,400.5,0.75,99.999,0.001 45,0.5,1,1.59098985,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 45,0.25,0.5,1.59098985,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 45,0,0,1.59098985,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 135,-0.5,0.25,0.53032995,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 135,-0.25,0.25,0.53032995,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 135,0,0.25,0.53032995,0.53032995,0.35355,-0.3535566 Revit has placed upper and lower bounds on hatch pattern element sizes which limit the degree that patterns may be scaled. This pattern is fairly intense as it's at the small end but at least it avoids the Revit's somewhat arbitary limitations. (Use the pattern in the attached file rather than cutting and pasting the above.) - Hope this helps.
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hugh! thats exactly what I needed man! thanks a bunch!
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You're most welcome. Happy it works for you. If you wish you can find some information on Revit's hatch scaling limits here: http://www.hatchkit.com.au/faq_detail.php?id=7 which is one of a small collection of topics we provide here: http://www.hatchkit.com.au/faq.php
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roger that
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That detail looks great .... except ... the discussion was plywood hatch at 3/4" scale. I used the pattern that was posted. Below is a screen shot of what you see on the revit screen (a black mass) and what you get when plotted...an empty rectangle. As I posted..... This pattern should not be used at 3/4" scale.
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When I printed the detail out on a printer (3/4" and looked at the ply wd. detailing it is small, but clear to see. it adds a certain quality that my advisors must see or they are not happy. they are very hard to work for... trust me. I feel like i need a expansion pack just for graphic detailing in revit sometimes.
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